
Ep. 1860 Uva di Troia, Teroldego, Timorasso by Emilia Marinig | Italian Grape Geek
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Content Analysis Key Themes and Main Ideas 1. The historical significance and near-extinction of Italian native grape varieties. 2. The crucial role of individual winemakers in preserving and reviving indigenous grapes. 3. In-depth exploration of specific Italian grape varieties: Teroldego, Timorasso, and Uva di Troia (Nero di Troia). 4. Sensory profiles, aging potential, and ideal food pairings for each featured grape. 5. The strong connection between Italian wine and regional culinary traditions. Summary In this episode of the Italian Wine Podcast, host Amelia explores three distinct native Italian grape varieties: Teroldego from Trentino, Timorasso from Piedmont, and Uva di Troia (Nero di Troia) from Puglia. She highlights the shared history of these grapes, many of which faced near extinction after World War II due to a shift towards high-yielding international varieties. Amelia details how passionate winemakers, such as Elisabetta Foradori for Teroldego and Walter Massa for Timorasso, played pivotal roles in their revival, emphasizing their dedication to preserving Italy's viticultural heritage. For each grape, she describes its unique characteristics, including color, aroma, flavor profile, and aging potential, often drawing comparisons to more widely known varieties. She also provides specific food pairing recommendations, aligning the wines with traditional regional dishes like Trentino's smoked meats for Teroldego, Piedmontese cheeses and truffles for Timorasso, and Puglia’s orecchiette con cime di rapa for Uva di Troia. Takeaways * Many Italian indigenous grape varieties were at risk of extinction after WWII as agriculture prioritized higher yields. * The revival of grapes like Teroldego and Timorasso is largely attributed to the dedication of pioneering winemakers who believed in their potential. * Teroldego, ""the king"" of Trentino, offers concentrated red fruit, floral, and savory notes, pairing excellently with smoked and roasted meats. * Timorasso from Piedmont is a white grape with Riesling-like qualities, known for minerality and the development of petrol notes with age, making it ideal for cheeses and rich dishes. * Uva di Troia (Nero di Troia) from Puglia is a distinctive red grape with intense purplish color, floral aromas, and lively acidity, complementing roasted poultry and specific regional vegetarian dishes. * Exploring these native grapes provides insight into Italy's rich and diverse wine heritage beyond mainstream varieties. Notable Quotes * (Referring to Teroldego's name origin) ""The proof lies right in his name, which might derive from the German dialect more for the Golden one from Tirolo."
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The Italian wine podcast, which promotes community-driven platforms for wine customs, is a success in promoting Italian winegeeks around the world. The podcast explores the history and importance of the fruit and links between the location and the variety, as well as the importance of the name of the wines served at Royal Court of Vienna. The podcast also discusses various examples of famous names, including Teroltego, Zici, and Zici's mother, and the potential uses of the fruit, including VIVid courses and traditional Italian pepper flavors. The segment also covers the success and challenges of the white fruit variety, and recommends pairing with Akita, avoiding pairing with vegetarian partnerships, and learning about the Nero D' freighty variety.
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The Italian wine podcast is the community driven platform for Italian winegeeks around the world. Support the show by donating at italian wine podcast dot com. Donate five or more Euros, and we'll send you a copy of our latest book, my Italian Great Geek journal. Absolutely free. To get your free copy of my Italian GreatGeek journal, click support us at italian wine podcast dot com, or wherever you get your pods. Welcome to the Italian GreatGeek Podcast. Join us as we explore personal stories of travel and tasting with Italy's must know grape varietals. Chart your own course with my Italian GreatGeek Journal. Your personal tasting companion to accompany the series. Available now on Amazon with thanks to Colangelo and partners for their generous support with this project. Hi. I'm back. I'm Emilia, and I'm gonna talk about one of the most important grape varieties of Trentino, which is Terrible. Of course, you know, Intentrino great wealth of grape varieties Teroldago is the king. The proof lies writing his name, which might derive from the German dialect more for the Golden one from Tirolo. So it's already already its name, you know, it signifies the importance of this grape throughout the history of the region. We have the first recordings in history dating back to the thirteenth century. So which such surprising credentials is not a surprise that the wines made of the rendezvous grape were served at the Royal Court of Vienna, nonetheless of the Royal Court of Vienna, and in the other very fashionable European cities of, the nineteenth century. A different theory, probably coming from a more practical point of view with actually links an integral to a most traditional and ancient training system, which is tirae left, basically the wires that hold the ancient vineyards together. And they were typical of mezzor lombardo, which is one of the famous towns where actually they're all legal. It's still produced nowadays. And the beauty after all, the goal is actually that the the remains deeply bound to its mountains and the unique environment of the Kiana Rotagiana. And it's one of the few action in the nomination, DOC denominations in Italy. Where the correlation between the location and the variety is very specific. It might be a sibling to La Gryne, which is the other rock star or Thantine, of course, maybe closely related to Dorexa, So a parent of Sara, but I might be also related to so coming from different perspective, I think what the name suggests at least to me is that is a wine of noble origins. Meaning that is related to novel wine varieties of the word that it was presented to the most noble tables probably of the eighteenth and nineteenth century. Also, the name might to me suggest you know, something very official there all the way in the name, you know, brings about a lot of weight. And again, it's one of those grapes that almost risk extension after the second world a lot of, actually, a lot of things happened after second world war in Italian with the cultural scenario because coming from a war that we badly lost, we had actually to rebuild nation, and agriculture was, was a big part of it. Unfortunately, that meant for many small farmers that was the custodians and the guardians of, indigenous grape varieties. That meant, you know, to abandon them in favor of more and better yielding international grape varieties that could generate also a better and faster turnover in terms of, of money. Let's say. So, again, Toronto, similar story to many of our beloved, Italian rate varieties, risk extinction in the second world, but we have to thank one very talented one maker an incredible woman that I admire fully that I think is one of the best, one makers who have grazed Italy in the last year, who's, Elizabetha Foradori that managed on her own, basically, to bring back the grape to the international stage. Of course, she came in, with a different view about how to grow the grape and the wise that she wanted to make, put a lot of emphasis on, lowering the hill, to try to produce better grapes and introduce Wio vine training as well. And literally gradually step by step, she kind of rebuilt the image of the road ago. It I put the fact that, she's a natural man producer and I think, battle to actually rescue it all the go. Taid in very well with the narrative around, herself and her brain, let's say. So, you know, I'm a natural man producer. I'm very close to the land. I respect that I'm coming from, and I respect Teroltego as being the ambassador of such a territory. Obviously, she's the first, name that comes to my mind if I have to pick at the Roltego. Very recently, I had a bottle of her twenty twenty. Throltego, which I had to decant, very brief decanting, but it brought out immediately how brilliant the Terrible wires can be. When we mentioned that it was probably related, to pinot wire, I think it resonates a lot with what I saw and I tasted after the candy the wine, the brilliance in the color, bright, ruby red. It's much more concentrated though than a pinot noir because, the grape has an obvious concentration of antosyanins. When I tasted the wine, actually, the aromas were very crunchy, very alive. You know, these red berries, cherries that came to the forefront quite strongly. But, you know, at the back, I could feel there was something else, you know, building up there's a lot of flora components, quite a savory not to it. I think that the savoryness is very much creation of, of Fradori. I tasted that after all, they go there might be more fruity driven, maybe less complex, but quite VIVid as well because it's so widely cultivated in the region of Trentino. You know, you can also find different variation of different deliveries, different expressions after all. Legobuses prefer it to make you know more fifty four type of Teraldago, other producers, you know, play mainly on the balance between Sabory and Terry Notes. So you can really have a spectrum of different options. Of course, for Adori, once again, She's the expert in the field. But if you're looking also to have a trial, they go maybe a trial, they go to Marissa Corona. All is very good value for money. I know it's a cope, but it's a really good call. They deliver quality for a release with, price point. Another one that I like is Zeni, a smaller producer, of course, family run, and Marion. In terms of, prepareings, again, I would lean toward your needs like prosciutto or maybe spec, which is a type of smoked prosciutto, like which is aged for a little bit longer, and bacon, I think it really calls for bacon or, you know, spaghetti carbonara, for example, you know, with the egg and If you know, Italian cuisine, you know, how to make a carbonara with and long with pancetta. By general, everything that has a smokiness to it. I'm also thinking roast beef, for example. Other more earthy meat, like, Boulash, for example, or Vanison's Jews would, of course, call for a more structured type of Teraldego, maybe a Teraldego reserva, and wine that comes from course, a longer aging with more concentration, bigger structure, so on. Because I'm also vegetarian, I would maybe recommend you try a vegan option as well, maybe with a plant based burger. I'm thinking, you know, something aubergine based. With some root vegetable juice. Are you enjoying this podcast? Don't forget to visit our YouTube channel, mama jumbo shrimp. For fascinating videos covering Stevie Kim and her travels across Italy and beyond, meeting winemakers, eating local food, and taking in the scenery. Now, back to the show. Hello. This is Amelia. I'm back. Now we're talking about one of the coolest white grape varieties of Italy right now, which is timorazo. Again, with timorazo, we go back to that amazing history of a Italian grape varieties. When most of the indigenous grapes were actually threatened by, you know, industrialization and the widening of the agricultural policies after the second world war. Even though we had records of, timorasso being grown in the province of alessandra, also very much, already in the fourteenth century. The great kind of, went through different phases through his life, being very popular you know, pre fill upsera, and then almost risking extinction, you know, after the second world war, as we were saying. In this case, as in many other stories that we encountered when we, obviously, face the Italian rape heritage, We're talking about the grape that almost went extinct, but it was single and deeply rescued by Hawaiian maker, who's Walter Masa, who's definitely one of the heroes of, Italian wines. So, Walter, very, very cleverly understood the potential of growing a white grain in a land of course, mostly renowned for great, red wines made with Nebula he understood that there was a potential of having an equally successful but also an equally challenging grape to grow there that he could build, you know, his reputation on. So, Timorasso fit the bill perfectly. As we said, it comes from almost a history of near extinction got into this momentum of coolness. Let's say the reason why is because the morassau where it's done well, it can remind us of another very popular, white grape variety among nerds. Which is pleasing, of course. So it can actually develop similar flavors, especially after, quite a long aging. The minerality really becomes more noticeable. Also, company have a tertiary nose, which really refine the wine and makes it as interesting as a reason it could be. So one that can be drunk young where, it's, more lively and tangy fruitiness are to be appreciated. But also has the potential of aging further, bringing out aromatic nodes like petrol, hydrocarbons, which of course are a remarkable feature of this variety. Every time I have the chance taste Timorazo. The first thing that comes to mind, talking about, of course, food is cheese. I think Timorazo makes a great companion to most of the cheese, of the Cayman Tiese tradition. I'm thinking Toma, above anything else. But also, you know, it could be a really great pairing for which is real with tuna sauce, one of the staples of, the payment is cuisine. Again, you know, trying to balance fresher notes with, cleanliness of this dish, of course. If you have an HD Morasso, a great match, I would say a match made in Ivan is with Safano Resotto and truffles. So the areas where, of course, the morassau is grown and is famous for, it's the call it Tortonese doc again, Marimonte, an amazing, region also visit. And then benchmark producers are, of course, I'm gonna start with the master himself, Walter Masa. If you wanna explore different expression of this variety, then try one of my favorites I have to say. You know, smaller producers can really, give an edge, but it is great. If you're looking for a good value for money, try continuing totona, which is the To be totally honest with you guys, I met Timoras and I tested my first Timoraso not very long ago. I was probably working at the time for, an Italian agency, and, they sent me to to pay some morassco because they were looking for some to add, to their portfolio. So we are really talking about five years ago because see that that I've been doing this job for over twenty years. This is the first time I did. Today, I immediately understood the potential of timorasso to become one of the most sought after white violence of Italy to be honest with you. Yes. So many layers of complexity that they can bring to the class that, is already is built up quite the follower to be, quite the following, to be honest. From, you know, the very early family of New York to move someone that is eager to discover white grapes beyond your usual chardonnay. Hello, everyone. This is Amelia, and I'm back to talk about Uva D'Troya. Uva D'Troya. It's also commonly referred to as Nero D'Troya. And it's a no equality gray variety from Pumbia. That shares the same origins as Negramar and Trinity, which, as we know, I'm a quite popular one. What stands out in the name is, of course, the reference to Troy, the epic town from which apparently, Domede escaped to actually found the town of Troy Emporia. So the reference is quite that big as you were saying. And so it's the one because, you know, try to imagine among the bulk production of grapes that, you know, made Polia really famous as a wine region in the past. And every trial really stood out. First of all, he has this very intense color that of course suggests, quite an intense, quite a warm climate. Where it comes from. It's almost like Parpolish, which I think is what makes it really, really cool. The bouquet, of course, it's quite intense. It's quite, charming. It's quite fruity, but compared to his relatives, his, siblings from Apollo. He has this much more floral you can, like think of violets, think of this type of flower. So it's quite pleasant since, they use mallet in the glass, it brings a lot again. A lot of different flavors that mingle together He has this very distinctive fruity profile, but it's not as ripe as, for example, to Nextiva. That is more or less from the same area. And it's much more lively, fresh for acidity. That's what I meant. So it makes it a really really pleasant, red wine also to drink in the summer. But we'd actually prefer it to drink it in cooler days, especially paired with, roasted meat, you know, stuff and stew poultry. And, one of the favorite pairing that I could recommend being, of course, a vegetarian myself will be with Reketa Nichimen grippa, which is, the champion of Pollia, you know, and you don't know what's awaiting Polia you can always count on or which is gonna really make your day. Of course, over destroyer, as we were saying, easily for Macuya, but let's say the best, over destroyer wise that you can find is in Castal de Monte, and is a two sub savers, Castel de monte rosarlicerba Castel monte, aerodetriar savalho Gg. The benchmark produces, of course, Rivera, which makes a really great varietal wines from the area. I have a favorite, which is Mikelebi Amcardi. Again, it's more producer, very focused on stability culture, delivers again a great, an area of destroyer. If you're looking for something really, really peculiar, is Katina Carpentier, that delivers a really rare example of a Nero D'Troya VINified white. Listen to the Italian wine podcast. Wherever you get your podcast, We're on SoundCloud, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, email ifm, and more. Don't forget to subscribe and rate the show. If you enjoy listening, please consider donating through Italian wine podcast dot com. Any amount helps cover equipment, product and publication costs. Until next time.
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