Ep. 73 Monty Waldin interviews Simona D'Alicarnasso (Codice Citra Vini) | Italian Wine Coops

Italian wine podcast. Chinching with Italian wine people. This podcast has been recorded during Vivite an event organized by the the alliance of Italian corps. Hello. This is the Italian wine podcast with me Monty Walden. My guest today is Simone La Alicarnaso. Wow. Perfect. Okay. From Chitra, which is a cooperative winery in Orthona in the Abruzzo region on Italy's Adriatic coast. Welcome, Simone. That's you very much. Right. Now just give us an idea of how big Chitra is as a go up. How many socially? How many members do you have? And how many hectares of vineyard? Yes. We have a three thousand wine growers. They are all in the Kiti province. And we are the biggest cooperative of second level of cooperative in, Abruzzo. Okay. So what does second level mean? We are I mean, we is collect cooperative of the first level. I mean, there are one growers. They they bring grapes in the first level of cooperative, and we collect nine cooperative from the first level. Okay. So you're like a group of cooperatives? Yes. So Chitra is a group of cooperatives with nine wineries. Yes. And they're all in Kieti. Yeah. They are all in the Kety province. How how many how many cooperative wineries does Kieti province need? Yes. A thirty two, actually. Thirty two augmentives. Yeah. Does anybody produce their own wine that? It's like the eighty percent of the production in Abruzzo is making by cooperative wine rich. Really eighty percent. Yes. Okay. So you got seven thousand hectares. Yes. And what are your main grape varieties? Leparais is Monteppuciano da Bluso. For red? Yes. For red. And also Trebiano is one our our second. And also now we have a lot of octopus grape growing and growing as pecorino. So, like, pecorino, what about hot chocolate? Cocaochola. Cocaochola is one of the scrapes as well. Okay. Now what are your main markets? Main markets, sir, is US, Canada, and also China is developing very well. And in Europe, we have Germany. And UK. So when you go to America, what do they like about the wines from Kyeti? Do they like these strong multibot pulciana reds? Do they like the lighter white wines from cepecorino? Of course, I think they like more montepulciano. Like, because we are a different kind of wanted to put on them from the the simple one. Every day. With seed banks from the really rich one with a a lot of unification as Lavis Vite. But I think now it's more and more appreciating also picurino in the sparkling way, but also in the steenway. In China? China red wines. Really? Monteable channel. Not not not interested in white wine. Not white wines only muscato muscato grape. Do you have any muscato? We have muscato, muscato from Katie, and muscato from a brewed zone. Okay. What about Sweet wines. Potting sweet wines. Right. Okay. So what about, organics? Organics, we have a line. It's called Kiki Byo. Kiki Byo. It's just like a pop star in the seventies. It's a novel by Boca sure. Alright. Well, then it's not a pop star. No. No. No. It's a novel. And, and, we have, Pecorino, Monteciano, and Trebiano. And the main market to the organic? Organic is Italy. Really? Yeah. We have Italy a lot of in the supermarkets. We sell a lot of, kibio. Is it organic growing though in Italy? Biovigum. Biovigum. It's a bio and then vegan because we are back to also the production as vegan side. I don't think I've ever met a vegan in Italy. I know your population is sixty million people, and just so carnivorous to country. Yeah. It's very, very popular. Alright. It's growing. Is it? The vegan thing? Oh, that's good to hear. A lot of restaurants and a lot of big chain. Exactly the younger generation, though, that want to leave a healthy quote, healthier lifestyle. Possible. I think. Yes. Right. Yes. And how much of your vineyards are on burglar overhead jealousy? I think most of all, I think probably is sixty percent, eight percent is Pargola, Bruses. Right. Yes. And the other one is, fillari. Spellier, which is, like, hit is. Yes. I'm a big fan of, particularly in places like a brutal Yeah. Hot climate. It's very useful, especially in this harvest because two thousand seventeen was a very hard harvest. What were your yields like then for the pergola? Were they like, in globally in Italy, it's like big yield losses because of poor flowering and and no, rain. Was there a big difference in in the yield between the Spagliera, the hedge style and the overhead burglar vines? Yes. So how did the burglar vines do? Was really good because the quality of the grapes was really good respect on the other kind of, much more, it's much more labor intensive. That's more expensive to farm. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Okay. What is your your motto, Vini Vortima? Vini Vortima what do you mean? What do you mean? It's wines, visages. Like, we we represent the three thousand of wine growers are really the biggest, community of wine growers in Abruso. This is the volte. Multi. So what does volte mean again? Sorry. Vicky is visages. Oh, face, faces. Faces. Right. Okay. Yeah. We say visages because it is v. It's all v. And Valori. Valori means, the the kind of values that this big community has. So for and, obviously, you're and you are the most important crop given Kieti permission. Yes. You dominate Kietti. Yes. So if I go to Kietti province in the Abluta region Yes. What as a tourist? I I I don't have a drink wine. Yeah. What what tell me, one tourist attraction in Kietti that's gonna get me to Kietti? Attraction is the Trabokicos. The what? Trabokicos. It's a beautiful coast in Yeah. The coast. Yes. So the Adriatic Sea. Right. So what's best about it? Abrusso is really, really known about, mountains. Yep. And as the language region of Europe, about the national park, because one third of the territory is covered by National Park. Is that why another reason why snakes is so strong in abruso this? Yes. Okay. Yes. So what about the coast though? The the coast is beautiful because we have a trombokie. It's a kind of a machine was used for fishing Right. At the beginning from the wine growers and also for farmers. But now, they yes. There's a kind of machine for fishing. Right. What? Make kind of machine like a net Yeah. Because they fish. They can fish. Normalize. They they they can fish. And But was it a machine that floats on the water, or you Yes. They float on the water. What do they look like? It's like wood. It's all wood. Made it but they have, the net to collect fish. Why? Yes. And so they helped for, farmer to collect the fish for fishing at the beginning. But down, they have beautiful rust runs there. Well, or not on the boats, though, on the coast. No. I will show you. It's a boat. It's a boat with a net. Yes. Yeah. But it's obviously a special kind of boat and a special kind of net. Yeah. Really typical. Okay. You can't find it anywhere in the world. You can't Okay. I'm not surprised. Anyway, okay. Thanks very much to for explaining that. Simone and I'm very complicated name. It's been a very long day. Great to talk to you. We're gonna launch the Italian Fish podcast quite soon. Okay. And we'd love to have you as a guest on that. Okay. Yeah. And we can talk about boats and nets and things like that. Okay. Yeah. And then we'll do the Nature Reserve Podcast. Thank you. And on the Mount in podcast. Okay. Thank you. We're just gonna go nuts with podcasting. Yeah. We're we're getting bored of wine. We had enough, a Trebiano, a picorino, all this kind of stuff. Not interested. We're gonna switch. We're gonna change career. So it's great. Change tracks great that you've come in today and give us that inspiration to, to follow that new track. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thanks for coming in. Thank you. Bye. This episode has been brought to you by Vinitaly twenty eighteen, taking place in Verona from April fifteenth to eighteenth. 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