Ep. 1433 Isabella Carpineti | The Next Generation

Hey, guys. Check out Italian wine unplugged two point o brought to you by Mama jumbo shrimp, a fully updated second edition, reviewed and revised by an expert panel of certified Italian wine ambassadors from across the globe. The book also includes an addition by professoria Atilushienza. Italy's leading vine geneticist. To pick up a copy today, just head to Amazon dot com or visit us at mama jumbo shrimp dot com. Welcome to the next generation. I'm Victoria Chacha, join me as we chat with young Italian wine people shaking up the wine scene. We're going to geek out on a grape or grape fam and hear about all the wild wine are guests have been up to. From vineyard experiments to their favorite wine bars. And welcome back. To another episode of the next generation. Today, I am super duper excited, and that is probably because I've consumed a unspeakable amount of caffeine, not wine. You may feel me if you're listening to this in the morning Today, we are heading to Latsu. Both are great. We are gonna be discussing. You know the deal right from the Italian line, unplugged two point zero book, and the interview with the Suitas Isabella Carpinati, of Marco Carpinetti, winery Incori, just half of Rome, fifty minutes in the car, beautiful place, and very close to my heart. But before we get to the interview, we are going to talk about A grape that is indigenous to that area. It is a true ancient Roman grape that, and just as the book states, is a fantastic grape that people should know more about. It's still pretty rare today. Straight from the book too. Spiping one of the best Italian grapes. And guess what grape it is? I'll tell you Belone is unfortunately rare today. Yes. Belone is a white wine producing grape. It's a white grape. It can be found in the Castelio mani vineyard, so it just right outside of, Rome to the south. And up to ten percent in the DOC Fascati and Marino, you're going to find Belona. Also, the DOC wines, Marino Nettuno allow the theoretical possibility of making a hundred percent Belone as well, but you don't really find that. So that said, Belone impurity is found outside these DOCs. It doesn't have those protections, but it doesn't make it. English special. As we will get to Marco Karpini, that winery produces Belone, and it's just fantastic. Moving on, Belone is also found in the seaside area of Anzio and Natuno, Again, we are just outside of Rome right now. So the region of La Tew where Rome is found is home to some incredible indigenous for idols like bologna that you should be discovering. So the best bologna wines are the only ones made with a hundred percent bologna IGT Cori. And, yes, going back to Marco Capinati. IGT Cori is an ancient village with tons and tons of history, and that is where you will find these a hundred snap baloney wines. And moving into the vineyard, baloney has medium to large sized bunches with large varies it's vigorous, and that's why farmers loved it back in the day, produce lots, lots of fruit. As a wine, it's complex and has a telltale luscious texture and juicy acidity. Great combo. Right? And wines without this creaminess can have like a resiny mouthfeel. So obviously, wines that are not made with care and love are gonna be like, that pickles for everybody. Right? Every grape can't be perfect. Moving on to aromas. We see delightful, honey, citrus, and tropical fruit aromas, and flavors. Belona has a variety as of natural high acidity, which allows production of very good sparkling wines. And going back to our guests, we do produce Alco Caffe Neti does produce sparkling wines, fantastic sparkling wines actually, and I was able to try so much. It's just fantastic. So let's get to our interview with Isabella and talk more about the magic that's happening. In my world outside of Rome. Talisabella. Welcome to the Italian wine podcast. Hello. Hello, buddy. How are you today? How's life? I'm fine. Just a little bit tired, but this is the every day more than one company So you just got back from, Morocco. You said? Yes. It was a really, really good holiday, totally different blends from here. Thank you for that. Oh, so you had a holiday. So you had a nice break before getting back. Exactly. And, yeah, you know, March is crazy and then Italy's coming up. So Yeah. We had, a fair it was low and fake in, at the end of Oh, in Bologna. Yeah. Yeah. In Bologna. And then I got some some days before I do enable you. Now you're full back into work mode. Yes. Powering through. So isabella, I'm not gonna talk too much because this is for you to shine. Tell us about yourself growing up in this wine world in, in in in, in, very special place, which I will rant about later because I love this part of Italy. I have a big mascot fan. Which choice. Yes. Patelis. Okay. Yeah. I'm the, actually, third generation about, our company, me and my brother, but it was our, father beginning in, ninety eight eight six. With this beautiful adventure. I decided to, work with them, like, six some years ago, not more, because I will think about okay. I wanna study freshmen or I wanna study why I'm making or something like that. At the end, I definitely I definitely decided for the, one business. It was like a master in food and one business before I got university in Satienza. Mhmm. I studied languages. Mhmm. And then at the city, they're going to study something about the wine, especially food, the wine business. Cool. And so did you go right into working with the with the family business or did you kinda do other things and come back? Actually, I I mean, I'm working with my family. Mhmm. From Eva, actually. Okay? So, yeah, even when I was, a really child. But, you know, that when you start studying, you, starting to know more thing about wine, and then you need to decide, to do. And if you wanna, carry on with family company. Family company is a beautiful thing, but it's also a really difficult thing because you need to grow up with the company, but you also need to, keep the right work, that work that your parents started. They would like to to to add. So, it's a really, really, really important. But before, I, also, work it with another company, another big Anogastronomic company. Yeah. And, at the end of the Sunday to start per perfectly in my new one company, my com family company. Yeah. I think a lot of people don't it's a touchy subject, the family business, but it's an important one, and it's so important, but it's not easy. No. It's not easy. And, but when you do do it and you're so dedicated to it, it makes, like, such a difference. Just for the view viewers. No one's viewing this as the podcast, the listeners. So we, well, yeah, I'm fortunate to be visiting wonderful copy of that too. We are just south of Rome. So, you know, why we were just joking about, like, how everyone's going and you fly to Fumeshino goes north the balcony. You could also just go south. Yes. I mean, you've got. One of the it's such a beautiful part of Italy and, it's just really amazing. Isabella what you're doing with, trying to really use the, you know, tours and the line tours and to, like, you really showcase a part of it you know, Italy and I'm sure you feel this as an Italian is famous to say the least, you know, for sort of people tourists, whatnot. But there are still these, like, places that are so special like here. You know, that people don't know about. And, so what are, like, I know that's a big passion of yours to bring more, attention and energy here, but, like, I don't know. Tell us more about that. Tell us, a little bit about how that started for you besides being from here. Yeah. So, yeah, we are in South of Incorric suddenly, so lepini mountains, south of Rome, and here, is not a wine region yet. I think it's gonna be a good wine region, but it's not yet. Maybe I I don't know exactly why. Okay? But I know how we work with this land. Okay? We have passioning. We we have love for everything here. We we we work with love. Absolutely love. Me, my brother, my parents, my brother. But I think everybody here, because this lamp is beautiful. But it's shine. It's a little bit shine, maybe. Because we are, you know, like a shadowful of Roma. Mhmm. Rome is everything in that region. Okay. But please come and visiting also the the land, all around Rome because it's a really, really rich land. So, you know, you you come from here and maybe you love for that, but but you love because you know. We we were talking about the the knowledge. We need to know something in order to, appreciate or, love. So that, the origin, the the wine region that we know important wide range of, like, Tuscany, like, Pittmont, like, you know, also, also sizzling in in in Italy. But now that your engine is working a lot in order to have, wide mechanic. I I started working with the end of tourism, exactly in twenty nineteen. So before the pandemic. What? So yeah. This was not this was not so last moment. But, you know, anyway. And, every single year later, it was better than than the the before one. So in the twenty twenty, we have a lot of people interesting to inventories, even the pandemic situation. And, in twenty twenty one, even better in this year than in twenty twenty two, also, absolutely. Just wanna be Shida. Yeah. Yeah. So community experience, was born in twenty nineteen. And the corporate experience is like, with with us, you can leave the land, the territory, but also our reality. And my question was the just conversion because of this kind of wine tourism, not because of their wines, actually. I don't know wines. Yeah. I don't wanna share it. Yeah. So I I I fell have a lot of wine lovers, full lovers, and a lot of people that wanna go there because they know it's a beautiful legend for that, for that, for that. But actually, we have everything. Yeah. So just we need to share it in the right way. Okay? And we need to let other know about, everything in don't know. For for a wine company, if you see out with Mac wine, you really, know how you drink, you really know how you, decide to to to to share, to to have, for for pairing, for everything, you know, dinner, for simple dinner, simple lunch. Yeah, the the the the focus for for, complete experience. For all the inventories, part of our company is sharing our land. It's just let them know that also here, we have a lot of things to see, to taste, to our leaf, actually. Are you enjoying this podcast? Don't forget to visit our YouTube channel, mama jumbo shrimp for fascinating videos covering Stevie Kim and her travels across Italy and beyond, meeting winemakers, eating local food, and taking in the scenery. Now, back to the show. Absolutely. And I think what's really beautiful about, what the cockpit at the experience and, like, also, you know, going back to your love for, like, the nature and the city, is that, like, when you think about, you know, everyone goes to Rome. Right? It's, like, of course, the the food and, like, the wine and whatnot that's, you know, the culture that's there, it it it involves involved in the city, but it's, like, it all is influenced by everything, like, right outside, and it's, And it it's, you know, bringing people kind of like out and just being like, hey, like, you know, like, let's just, you know, take a little tour Yeah. Away. Why not? Why not? You know what I mean? Only shy coming to that's why I thought you don't but I think with you being, like, young and, like, really ambitious and really focused and, like, someone who actually loves the city, you know, you you have a really strong lender. Like, you lived in Rome for a long time. Right? Yeah. Yeah. So, like, here. You're, like, you're, like, I mean, I'm also a millennial. It's, like, that, like, I love the city, but the nature thing. So you, like, have, like, a super strong understanding of that, you know, bond. And you're, like, I love that you're just kinda trying to bring people. You're, like, okay. You can still, like, you know, sit in the bars and have fun, roam, and chill, but you can also come down here. Even because our yeah. Why? Actors in Rome, must go in Florence in order to have, taste thing, a good tasting part, a busy busy business from Rome. We're also locals. So some one company, if we have an auto one company in Lotsurag. And we we work, I mean, we work well, and we wanna do it in in in the right way. So this the experience, sir, in my opinion, experience, like, I mean, the the word experience is something that, you, totally live. Okay. So it's why I called my leading business in my business, campaign experience. Because, all of you, you need to to fill this land to to to to see. Yeah. Exactly what what we do when we make. Exactly. And and and how we work with the natural, because the natural is the the first the the character, okay, with the grapes in this case. Absolutely. It's it's funny because nature is all created equal. Right? You know what I mean? Because the way certain things are marketed, they're like, oh, you know, Tuscany's the most beautiful. Whoever's the most beautiful. Right? Like, there's all the list. Like, comedy ass is always like, the most beautiful beaches, the most. And you're just like but, of course, you know, there's certain places that are more like, appealing to look at. But, like, there's so many beautiful things and, like, the and it's always a seek, like, the lesser known that are the most Beautiful. I I I just had this random question when you were living in Rome and, like, studying. Was that, like, kind of, the birth of the Karapinetti experiencing way back because you're noticing, like, the like, you'd sit down and see, like, a task and learn or whatever. And you're just, like Yeah. It's the right way about competition. I mean, I think. Yeah. When I was, yeah, having, good wine in, in some wine company in Tuscany. I was totally thinking about my wine company because it's it's a strategy, but it is, as is a genuine, you know? Absolutely. I need I need to I was talking about why then yes and why we can't. Mhmm. Why not? We can't do it? So, yeah, discretion comes from that. Absolutely. Because they, in Italian, we say that the, neighbor, garden is greater than Your yes. Yes. It's always the grasses. In English, it's the grasses. Actually, actually grasses. The grass is greener. That's what we always do. Yeah. But I wish you had something as a pretty big. You know, people come to Rome. It's most it's it's it's the biggest city in Italy. It's, you know, There's a lot of there's a lot going on. And naturally, you know, I think of New York in the sense that you can't, well, necessarily only have wines from Lotsu in Rome because it's a big city, and it has a lot going on. However, at the same time, it's it's not that, it's it almost takes away from the fact that this is the Roman land. And the Roman land wasn't just Rome in the Colosau. It's it's it it expanded everywhere, you know, throughout Europe, but it's so much of the richness. Like, you have to think I always think about it in this way where if you were to look at the Romans in a modern way where it's like, well, if you were to take a little trip, you know, and you wanted to go to the beach or you wanted to go somewhere, you're not gonna go, like, hours away, especially back then, you don't have a car. You're gonna go, like, somewhere that's not too far. And so all this culture is is in the land, you know, in this area. And I think to your point, it's it's it's How do you get people excited about that? And I guess, like, a good question, right, would be I hate you're gonna hate me for asking this question. Sorry. What wine from nazi or do you eat with carnival nada? Or a a pasta because, you know, everyone loves roman food now, you know. So it's like, that's the only thing I think of is, like, you have to, like, almost attach these wines to these dishes because, like, in America, everyone's obsessed with carbonara. It's a it's annoying. It's great. I love carbonara, but it's it's annoying. It is best, actually. It's meant. Yeah. Of course. We can go down that. We can go down that road. Do you eat carbonara? Yeah. Like, she's a little late. Is it your favorite? Or No. It's not my fault. I love also, cashier, baby. Cashier, birthday. Yeah. I love it. I love it. And I always pay, a customer with, white wine always. Always. Always. Even with, a really, really, an effect, pasta, sauce or something. Yeah. But I don't know why. I love So is there a wine of yours or, like, the grape, grape varietals specifically you're thinking that would pair with your the Kachua Vepa or carbonara? Would you do, like, the loan app, or is it too? Yeah. That one we taste together, do. Mhmm. I think, can can take the update of, Casipura. Yeah. I think I can. It's very good. Yeah. And that's body, and it's a complex white wine. So I think it's Absolutely. And in Zoom means altogether. Right? Yeah. Exactly. It means together. It means together together. Yeah. So how would you use it in a sentence? Like It's not all. Mhmm. Okay. It's like together. Okay. When you share something with someone, in this case, a glass of wine or a bottle. Why not? Or I don't know. You you were also because it is a exactly a geometry of past, and we hope future because we only we use all the setting from the past, biogenomic approach and field in vineyard, but also in cellular. And we work with horses just for that grapes. I know they're so sweet. Yeah. We we we put this beautiful and pure whiner into a jar, terracotta, for her. Yeah. A jar would be like a little baby. You could have a jar too. And, so every every settings from the past to use it now in order to have, you know, a better future. We are, you know, getting since Maddie, Eddie. Sorry. Ninety four. Oh, wow. Yeah. Now that sixty per percent of our agriculture method is in biodynamic, but we don't have the simplification. We only have the organic one. And this is our approach. Actually, it's now a lifestyle. Even when we go away, when we leave, when we, share something. So the organic agriculture is Nava. Lifestyle. Mhmm. I can't. Yeah. It's not a trend. No. It's not a trend. Absolutely not. The respective is for the rental because we know nature is bigger than us. Absolutely. It's a lot bigger. I mean, it it has power. Absolutely. And if there's anything that symbolizes that, it's the horses. And, final question is just one piece of advice to anyone dreaming of, you know, no matter what part of the wine industry in Italy there to come and and maybe even work in lots. Yeah. Like, what are you, what would you tell them? So, I'm I'm working about, land hour doors open in order to to let know how we how we work what we create, actually, because, okay, we are one maker. We produce something. But we, taking straight from from the vineyard. Okay. So so the the the this important fruits for for us, is important because we work with the the the future. Like, we were working with the human. Mhmm. So my father was always said that we don't call to, exactly, don't call to it. They're great, but we raised them. Because, yeah, they are, they're alive. We we we work in bots in a biodynamic, I would gotcha because we think that, is important. It's important for us to to share this, this way, this lifestyle and, what there is, in a in a possible one, actually. Mhmm. Because it's at the end, it is is a one. But before you can imagine what, or maybe now you can imagine. I mean, we work, but Yeah. It's it's a really, really, passion job, is, totally we take we really take care of this land. Yeah. We really want to, let this let norm because it's beautiful because we we, is that we need to to to say thank you. Okay? Because it's our life. And I think it's important also for our, customers, clients or one lovers to know what they drink. Okay? What day they eat? Is absolutely important. Well, drop to mute that. Yes. Yeah. And and go visit, copy that, and, Cody, when you're in Rome next time, it's not far. Yes. Waiting for you. So what's up? As always, a big good option for hanging out with me today, remember you can catch me every Sunday on the Italian wine podcast. Available anywhere, you can get your pots.