Ep. 387 Sangiovese Lambrusco... | Traminer, Border Grape
Episode 387

Ep. 387 Sangiovese Lambrusco... | Traminer, Border Grape

Traminer, Border Grape

September 2, 2020
33,03611111
Sangiovese Lambrusco
Wine Varietals
podcasts
wine
books
italy
trees

Episode Summary

Content Analysis Key Themes and Main Ideas 1. The complex and often debated origin of the Traminer grape variety. 2. Debunking the traditional association of Traminer with the village of Termeno (Tramin). 3. The crucial role of historical documents, ampelography, and molecular biology in tracing grape lineages. 4. Identifying Traminer as genetically identical to Savagnin from France. 5. Traminer's (Savagnin's) significant role as an ancestral grape, serving as a parent or grandparent to numerous prominent varieties, including those in the Pinot family, Sauvignon Blanc, Chenin Blanc, Trousseau, and indirectly Cabernet Sauvignon. 6. Insights into medieval wine marketing practices and naming conventions. Summary This episode of the Italian Wine Podcast, part of a series narrating content from ""San Jose, Lambrusco, and other vine stories,"" delves into the enigmatic origins of the Traminer grape. The host introduces the historical misconception that Traminer originated in Termeno (Tramin), despite centuries of mentions in various European cities. The narrative then challenges this easy attribution, citing a lack of historical evidence linking Traminer to Termeno in earlier Italian ampelography and suggesting a German origin based on 15th-century documents. The podcast explores alternative etymologies, including a Roman ""Terminos"" (border) and a Greek ""Amina"" family (synonymous with quality wine). It highlights the medieval practice of naming wines after their place of production, not necessarily the grape variety, explaining how ""Traminer"" might have referred to sweet wines from Termeno rather than a specific vine. Ultimately, the episode reveals how molecular biology confirmed that Traminer is genetically identical to Savagnin from France, specifically from wild vines found on the island of Catch on the Rhine. This scientific breakthrough clarifies its genetic proximity to Pinot and its role as an ancestor to a vast family of grapes, including Oberlin, Petite Meslier, Sauvignon Blanc, Chenin Blanc, Trousseau, and even as the ""grandfather"" of Cabernet Sauvignon. The discussion underscores the deep historical and genetic interconnectedness of grape varieties and the scientific rigor required to uncover their true lineages. Takeaways * The origin of the Traminer grape is not the village of Termeno, despite the name similarity, but rather France (Savagnin). * Molecular biology (DNA analysis) has been crucial in accurately tracing complex grape lineages and debunking historical misconceptions. * Traminer (Savagnin) is a foundational ancestral grape, having given rise to many well-known varieties globally, including Pinot family members, Sauvignon Blanc, Chenin Blanc, Trousseau, and indirectly Cabernet Sauvignon. * Historical wine naming conventions often prioritized the place of production over the specific grape variety, adding complexity to origin research. * The podcast emphasizes a scientific and historical approach to understanding Italian wines and vines. Notable Quotes * ""For a long time, it was considered the homeland of Treminer given the consonants in the names."" (Referring to Termeno) * ""First of all, documents the first mention of Treminer as a vine dates back to August fourth fourteen thirty eight. At the monastery of Beebenhausen near Schuttgart. And this implies that the vine originated in Southwest Germany."

About This Episode

The Italian wine podcast covers various topics including the origin of vines, random coincidence of the name Tr Davis cultivated in the Italian amphologrophy tree 90s, and the origin of the name Valicht. The podcast provides historical evidence of vines with the name Tr Davis cultivated in the Italian city of Ter accident, and suggests that the former may have been used to describe sweet wines. The transcript also discusses the origins of the Tr Davis culture, including its grandfather and links to Cabernet Salv battles, and the impact of the wine on the development of vines like Malon and Aligote.

Transcript

Welcome to the Italian wine podcast. My name is Joy Livingston, and for the next several weeks, I will be bringing you some choice narrated content from the book San Jose, Lambrusco, and other vine stories written by Mr. Science himself, Professor Atiyoshenza, and Serena Eimazio. Published by positive press dot net. To get a copy of the book, the Kindle version is available on Amazon and hardcover copies are available from positive press. If you like the content we share each week, consider donating to our show. Find details at italian wine podcast dot com or on our social media channels. Sit back and get your geek on as we jump into the details stories and science of Italian wines and vines. The border grape variety. If you follow the South Tyrole and wine route. At a certain point, you will find yourself passing through the village of Termeno Tremmin in German. For a long time, it was considered the homeland of Treminer given the consonants in the names. A testimonial from twelve forty two relating to the price of Thraminer wines sold on the Burzano market indicated the origin of this vine was Thramins wines have been mentioned for centuries. Vaingoetz Thraminer from Tyrule in thirteen sixty two, Thramine from the Council of Constance in fourteen fourteen. Thra minor from Strasbourg in fourteen fifty and fifteen fourteen, Thra minor from Basel in fifteen thirty two. Thra minor wine from Terro in fifteen fifty eight and so on and so forth. However, there is evidence that goes against this easy attribution. First of all, documents the first mention of Treminer as a vine dates back to August fourth fourteen thirty eight. At the monastery of Beebenhausen near Schuttgart. And this implies that the vine originated in Southwest Germany. In addition, several scholars in particular Babo Mac and Rona have looked for historical evidence for the existence of vines with the name Traminar cultivated in termino and its surroundings, but without success. Treminer was never mentioned in the Italian amphologrophy tree 90s before the nineteenth century, while Givjertraminer, its aromatic version, was only introduced into South Jirole in the middle of the nineteenth century on the initiative of archduke John of Habsburg. Certainly, when attempting to understand the vines origin, the random coincidence between the toponym tramin and the name of the vine traminid does not help to clarify things. The Romans used to call places recently conquered by the word Terminos border, from which the name Termino also derives. The vine therefore may have taken its name from a Roman Terminus of the same name. A medieval source provides an even more solid hypothesis of the etymology, which, among other things, places Tremina, in the olympus of grape varieties. The Aminae family of Greek origin in Roman times was synonymous with quality wine. Valerno, for example, comes from it. Centuries went by and during the middle ages, Benedictine monks began to use and spread corrupt forms of the original Latin terms. So we go from Amina to indicate a vine that produced high quality wine to de Amina, then to The overlap between the traminar and teremeno grape varieties can therefore be traced back to a custom in the middle ages to market wines under the name of their place of production regardless of the grape variety used. At that time, sweet wines from South Tyrol and in particular from the Ultra. Enjoyed a good reputation, especially in Bavarian monasteries. Among these wines, those of Termeno stood out. Therefore, it is possible that the name Traminer did not refer to wines produced with the Traminer vine, but to sweet and aromatic wines of Tramino produced with another vine. Once the mystery of the name has been dissolved, perhaps, the origin of the vine still remains obscure. There are those who say that it originated from Germany more precisely from the Rhine Valley. Others suggest Kitec in Austria in Austria. Others still hypothesize that it originated from the juror Canton in France, where is known by the name Sabignin. Eventually, the observations of Brunner emerged. A German Amplographer from the middle of the nineteenth century. He had found some wild vines on the small island of Catch on the Rhine that had remarkable morphological similarities with With the advent of molecular biology, this hypothesis was confirmed and in two thousand and one, the ancestors of Treminer Sabennin were identified in those wild vines. In the middle ages, as in Roman times, the most important factor in judging the characteristics of a vine and in assessing the quality of its wine was its origin. In Carol Lingian Germany, local wines and wines were called hunch, while French, in various spellings, French, Frankish, Frankish, Defined a foreign wine, usually considered of better quality. The expression Vinum Hunekum or Hojncha Vayana was used to indicate a local variety of wine or wine which had been present on the territory for a long time. These were old vines that came from a territory between Jura, Chantania Arden, Laura Arsa, and up to the south eastern corner of Germany. Everything suggests that Traminar is one of them. Molecular analysis supports these hypotheses. The results have shown that the Traminar is none other than Sabignin. Of burgundy France. The name Savanyin is reminiscent of the French word Savage Wilde confirming the probable direct descent from a wild vine. The genetic proximity to Pino has also been highlighted confirming the hypothesis that the Thraminer Vine was born through a neutral cross between Pino and a wild vine from Southern Germany. Thraimina Sabagnin, in turn, crossed with jullier Blanc, has given rise to Ober Blaine in Lorraine, a now scarcely cultivated grave that is still found in Mosel and Marne Valley. And in Champagne to petite mezlei. Another rare grape sometimes used in cuvees of Champagne to give acidity. Another Caminer Savanian offspring thanks to a cross with a likely extinct variety created Sauvignon blanc, Shenin blanc, appreciated in the lua for its acidity and good sugar concentration, and trousseau, which is present, especially in the Jura, and produces a red wine with a pleasant floral scent. As a result of these family relationships, Traminar Sabanin can also be considered the grandfather of Cabernet Salvignon. In the south of France, Traminar Sabanin is probably the parent of pretty and grandfather of Gol Maussain. Both white grape varieties with marked acidity used to produce sweet wines from over white grapes. In Austria, its offspring include among others Sylvanna and Rota Veltina. The geographical distance from the Treminer Sabanin area of origin and Verdelo, which shares a first degree relationship with it is curious. It is a vine grown on the island of Madera and traditionally used for the production of Madera wine. As we have seen, there is a deep bond between Treminer and other vines of great fame and notoriety. Pino. This is a complex grape variety. From the point of view of winemaking, it exhibits atypical characteristics compared to other wine varieties but it is so beloved that its offspring have been selected many times throughout history. Pino has established a perfect partnership with Guiller Blanc, a grape that the Romans brought from Pannonia giving rise to about fifth teen varieties. It is widespread in Northwest France, Lorraine, and Champagne, including chardonnay, Camille, Malon, Aligote, and Petit messier. Thank you for listening to this week's installment of San Jose Lambrusco and other vine stories. We hope you expanded your horizons and gave your brain cells an Italian wine workout. We'll see you again next Thursday and remember the kindle version of the book is available on Amazon and hardcover copies are available from positive press dot net. If you feel inspired to make a donation to our show, please visit us at the Italian wine podcast dot com. Find Italian wine podcast on Facebook and Instagram. Our Twitter handle is at Ita Wine Podcast.