Ep. 1273 Tanya Morningstar Interviews Riccardo Cotarella | Clubhouse Ambassador's Corner

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Listen in as wine lovers and experts alike engage in some great conversation on a range of topics in wine. If you enjoy listening, please consider donating through Italian wine podcast dot com. Any amount helps cover equipment, production, and publication costs. And remember to subscribe and rate our show wherever tune in. Hello, everyone. This is the Italian wine club on Clubhouse. We have our club house manager, Laika, today. Chalaika. D v. So this we've been doing this for about a year now, a bit more than a year. What is the, how many episodes have we done on clubhouse so far? So we, we started July eighth, I think. Now we're on the seventy eight episode. So Oh my goodness. That's crazy. Right? So we are on the seventy eighth episode of Clubhouse, the Italian wine club. And this is what we call the ambassadors corner where we have one of our Italian wine ambassadors at large. They get to invite one of their favorite Italian wine producers. And we have a a little bit more like a fire side chat style. And today, we have with us Tanya, And Tanya, of course, is our Italian wine ambassador. Tanya, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself and what you have been up to lately? Well, my name is Tanya Morningstar, and I'm just so happy to be connected with you guys like this. It's still magic for me. I'm like a child with technology. Right now, I spend a lot of time back and forth between, Italy and the United States. I live in Seattle. I'm working, I have a school called Stella Muse. I am an ambassador of Orveieto wines. I'm the global education ambassador, and one of our big projects lately has been to create ambassadors for Robieto wines around the world. And this is actually the project that connected me with Ricardo, about four years ago, and we're seeing some real blossoming of that project. It's really exciting. I'm working on an important project for me with the wine scholar guild, and the research in to how we taste and share wine together, and how we write and talk about it. And, yeah, I'm a Italian wine ambassador with the Italy Academy, and I'm super proud of that, and I love this community. Yes. So you have a very big guest today, miss or Ricardo Cortarela, I call him kind of in just the the godfather of Italian wine. I had the pleasure of working with Ricardo, boat for the, expo, one expo, the pavilion at the two thousand fifteen, the World X, but we he curated. He was the president, of course, of this, curation of the Vin Italy and wine pavilion, and also he's the president of Asonology. So we get to do the wine competition. It's called five star wines every year. So I know Ricardo very, very well. It will be the first time I hear him in English. It's I'm pretty excited. So and Why don't you tell us a little bit about how you met Ricardo? Well, as I already mentioned, I fell in love with the wines of of Orvieto, and, as a Wine historian, someone who is always looking at why things are the way that they are and also, wanting to be involved with projects that really are about shared fate and something, bigger than myself. I proposed to I started to get to know some of the producers there and get to know the wines better and realized that there was something that I could really offer to help the world to get to know and understand these wines in the context that I think that they deserve. And so through that, I met, Enzo Barberby, and and we became friends, and he started to advocate for my idea. And one of the first things he did was connect me, with Ricardo the first time that I officially came there to do my research. And I had the pleasure of sitting down and speaking with Ricardo Van. And now have been friends with him for a number of years, and he's been really supportive of this project. So Ricardo is an inspiration to me, as you'll see, I think, through this interview, in terms of how he really also shares, I believe, this idea of big picture, something bigger than ourselves through our work. So Yeah. And so, Barbara is also a friend of Italy International Academy. We do have his wine as one of the benchmark lines, for Orveda for a very long time. So that's very exciting. And what, you know, as, you know, we're, as you know, we're a very geeky around here. So we ask our ambassadors who's hosting what the learning objectives might be for today's call with Ricardo today? Well, I'd like to start with with a quote that, that really inspires me and and makes me, think of this kind of the work that we that Ricardo is doing. And that is a quote from twentieth century French technologist, Emil Panno. He said, that tradition is experimentation that worked. And, my experience of Ricardo is that he is really rooted in the cultural legacy that he's involved with, but that he's curious, open, and and always moving forward. So this idea that it's really not that tradition isn't fixed. And this is something that I want to explore with Ricardo. I feel that he really is adapting kind of dynamically between this idea of innovation and, the past. So I hope to understand more about his perspective on this impression that I have. And I think that through that, I'm hoping that we're all gonna learn something about the state of Italian Wayne today. Okay. So Tanya, over to you and Ricardo, I will be listening, but I will be shutting up. I know you're not used to me shutting up, but I will be quiet for now. And if you need me, I will I will come back. Okay? So take it away, Tanya. Alright. So I think that Stevie kind of began to describe the cardo's legacy of work, which is really, quite large. And so that means we're really grateful to having him today and taking the time because he's got his foot into lots of very important projects. Including the president of the, Inologia, also the the international association of winemakers, and, his winery Filasco projects in Orvieto. He's also the managing director of of Monruvio, cooperative in Orvieto. So, he's a really busy man. He consults, I think, more than eighty wineries in Italy and worldwide, and has won a lot of awards. So I just wanna kind of reiterate some more of those wonderful details about Ricardo. First of all, I wanna say that I'm really a fan of of Velesco and have been drinking those wines for twenty five years. I'm sure. And And also, I've had the pleasure of interviewing him a couple of times. Ricardo has a interesting way of working with both preserving international, I mean, traditional grape varieties, indigenous grape varieties in Italy and working with international grape varieties. As well. And so in this dynamic, I'd like to start with a question. I would like to open with your perspective, Ricardo, on what drives you and ask you if you could dream of knowing the impact your efforts have made on Italian wine by hearing what people would say about you in fifty years. What would you hope to hear them say about your contributions to Italian wine? Well, what I what I dream? First of all, that I put all my patience to produce a very good one for my country because I I am convinced that Italy the the Italian people, you know, then for too much time without discovery without discovering the the very important problem that I would like to offer to the producer. I hope that the people went in about me in fifteen years can say, okay, Capital was a very, very passionate way to make it, very passionate discovery, very passionate, way lower. Now, first of all, Ricardo discovered very important a new place by his passion, by his personality, by his dream to go to Italy, the very, very important in the world. I I I love that. You really want to lift up the wines of your country, and that's, you know, not an ego driven objective, and it really shows what I think is this earnest generosity that I admire so much. I really I I want to ask you some questions about, your experience in your career and also how that can is in the context of Italian history. You came into your calling as a winemaker in a very important moment in the history of Italian wine. And I think that for Italian wine lovers to understand the impact of the nineteen sixties, on contemporary Italian wine is, can't be understated. In the nineteen sixties for for listeners, something really hap important happened in certain terms of social shift and Italy. And that was that, basically, sharecropping was abolished. Like, it was known as Cassandra. And this was, Up until the nineteen sixties, essentially, we had wealthy and noble land owners, who owned the land and farmers essentially paid, you know, a portion of their harvest to the owner, which didn't really inspire, give a lot of incentive for the people who are growing the grapes to make the very best wine they could possibly make. They just, really needed to make food. So, when that shift happened, it really catapulted Italian the Italian wine landscape into a quest of self discovery and identity. And you were positioned right at the perfect moment to be a part of that. That's the Italy that you grew up in Ricardo. I'm wondering how you feel coming into the industry at that moment, really affected, the the path that you took in your work. Well, in central states, I considered myself very lucky because, I enter at the beginning of the revolution, we in Uruguay in in Dubai, Italy. But as immediate revolution, so don't forget that six years ago or maybe less in my country as is, white, correct, wine. Without decision between north, south, and the center of eatery, without decision, Tuscany, and the Sicily, just red wine because we didn't have any idea about the high quality wine because in that in at the time they consume for for each people was one of the thirty liters each Now it's a totally rich but we increase so much the quality of the wine. Now Italy is one of the most important cuts in the world to offer so different quality of the wine. So different territory, different climate, different habitat, a different device quality and clones, variety and clones. So I think that the the Hebrewio transform Italy like a normal or the under normal, country producer, wine producer. And today, trying to disable, we show in a certain sense. We discovered so many wines that in the past didn't exist. In the middle, this will show I I found myself inside and I consider it is a very good occasion for me to explain my passion. You may complain. So in a lot of words, the Italy, the Italian wine today are another plan with respect to six or fifty years ago. So you you speak you speak before about your get away in Italian. So little wine thirty years ago. Maybe less was a white wine with our character with our personal item without any tea. It's a correct wine. You taste so many important beers that display the potential is territory but By your computer, you can find so many, many other wines from north to south of my country. So today, it is completely transformed on the production of the iPad one, especially the past eight. I was very lucky because I was inside of this type of revolution. I have that in the set that says I gave all my coaching with this revolution. Thank you. You know, in with that being said, I want to follow-up a little bit, with with your answer. You you consult have worked with big wineries and also really small wineries. You you have, you I'll get later to, to talk about international grape varieties, but, I would like you to talk about what the the meaning of your work with smaller appalachians that you mentioned. You know, you the Terro de LaBoro is one of the important early projects for you. And, can you talk a little bit about what it means to work with, with bigger more established wineries and regions, versus these smaller appalachians and producers? Yeah. Let me explain my philosophy when I started in my career. At the beginning, one or two, one is a sales offered me to the collaboration with them in Tuscany. But I didn't I didn't say no because I was convinced that my mission was to discover other parts of my country. Especially in the south in the south Italy. But for discovering the new territory, the new gallery, the new state, I need them in at the time, the very small state. Familias said because it's not easy to make a experiment with a big one. Because they are too busy, you know, to produce to to make a experiment. Ferrilora was wild is many, many other leaders say that I well, I I made my experiments. First of all to study the soil, the chemical physiocaracter is the climate. And after this, I I discovered the best routes that they can use in the soil. Over the roots, the best clone of the varietal. So I spend no less than ten years of my career to make experiments in the sense. I think with my passion, my conviction, you know, I gain my contribute to a lot of the sale little also for the bigger sale that by displaying it, by the patient with the producer, then in a certain sense, we create a new brand, like a like a montiano, like a Montiano. Like, I was convinced that the the the search of the very important wines and varietal were in the south of Italy. Because in a certain sense, at the time thirty or forty years ago, they they knew, you know, that they they produced it with the wine. I mean, the sound was a tragedy about the quality in the past. Now, ten to go the quality of the suit are very, very good in every very regional especially with a very typical variety or think about, I don't know, think about. So, it's a very, very rich place for to use a very individual variety. All my country, especially in the South. I mean, really for those who love Italian wine, you know, opening our minds to, to the fact that we'll never kind of grasp the incredible diversity of Italian wine is part of the joy. I think that that's what attracts people a certain type of person to love a time line is this, that you have to be kind of comfortable with, with the fact that there's so much more than you'll ever grasp And so much that is, to discover that's so deeply rooted in in the tradition and and history of a of a people and a place that goes so far back in terms of wine making styles and also indigenous grape varieties, but you are also known for innovating and making wine from international varieties, on Italian terawatts. And I'm curious how what this means to you in context of preserving traditional, or indigenous grape varieties, and how you would describe, how you think terwar and tradition intersect with innovation in your work? Well, first of all, when I discover a new place, I try to find a very important digital bright one. Unfortunately, my client is the richest in this sense about the indigenous, but we have also added to a that we discovered by the international operator. Think about Bogle, for example. Don't try to plant in Bulgaria San Jose or Montebuciano because the result is a tragedy planting the natural variety today, Boris is one of the most famous place for Italian producing. I have a personal idea what does it mean in details. Indigenous, you know, just divine the variety that exists from many, many years in this place. For me, in digital means the variety that can display the potential displays. For me, in digital means this, if I plan San Jose's impediment, No, it's impossible, but if I plan, maybe on in Toske, it's a tragedy. But if I plan to Bulgaria or maybe in the last region. Okay. The result is a very, very good, very, very nice discovery. So for me, indeed, it means the variety that can display in the best way the potential of this place. Absolutely. About the terroir and the traditional. Well, as you know, Tanya, the y is one of the most ancient products that the the the the the vines gave us and then we make the transforming wine. Okay? But during the centuries, during the here, okay, the wine, had easy evolution about the the innovation. The wine that you taste today is different than the wine to taste thirty years ago from the same from the same producer. What changed in this time, not the soil, declined a change, but not by the by the people. The only thing that changed was the technology, the science that they put in the VIN. This means this means innovation, but think about the prediction. I I keep soil. I keep I keep vines. I keep varietal. I give roots. I change the approach with my technology. I don't know, Daniel. Sorry. Maybe if I can't play in this in quite way my philosophy by my bad English. I have solved, but this is my commission. Tanya, can I share my my my opinion in my English? Yes. It's yes. I do think you're doing a good job. Thank you. It's very difficult for me. Bye try. You do. You do. And I think that, you know, we do often when we're speaking, you speak Italian and I speak English and that works pretty well. I'm hoping after this summer, I'm gonna be there for, couple months with my children, and I'm gonna go to school. So I'll be much better after that. But, I really I think it's it's it's so interesting to me to really embrace this idea that identity and tipicity aren't fixed you know, in, just because a culture has ancient, roots, you know, and I think as Americans, that's often a, a misconception. That that is important to really dispel. We have somebody, Stevie, who is asking if he can speak. And I don't know. Stevie's the monitor. So I'll let her Yeah. We'll we'll pull them up, you know, when you're done with your intention. Okay. Good. Good. I just noticed that, so I wanted to let you handle it. So, Ricardo, I want to, let's see. I wanted to talk about, more about legacy and the projects that you're working on. Oh, actually, I wanted to ask you to tell this funny little story, that you told me before or to talk about, how it was that you came to be known as, as kind of mister Merlo or the person who really brought Merlo to Central Italy, which I think is, you know, brilliant. This is on this idea that that I am, typically, that to bring a grape from somewhere else, actually, this has been happening throughout time. The Venetians brought grapes with them, the Greeks brought grapes with them. Grapes have been moving forever. Right? And so I'm wondering if you can just talk about, Merlo a little bit and the place that it found in the Ter Wars, of Wumbria, in particular, and, tell us a little bit about that. And also maybe a bit about how the the press or the way that it's been written about has been completed or, or or, presented your love of merlot. Well, below was the first, but I thought that I experimented by country. For the very occasional with our project, I found Merlo in a very literal state. It was my first experiment. At the same time, my first visit to Berno. I had occasion to taste very, very important Merlo. Very important company, Frank, very important company, Sabignan, they have the right of right from this place. But Merlo was my first experiment. And, Why I like this variety immediately because it's a very generous variety. So you can make the wine like, very simple wine or very young wines or the wines that can age for many years. But I put in my career. In my career, I spend maybe one thousand more items. I started in the middle of my Italian wine podcast brought to you by mama jumbo shrimp. Maloux was one of the a lot of barrettas is very my career. So forty three years from my career working, I don't know, maybe sixty or seventeen countries in the world, you know, with a different variety or different client or different people. No. So I had the occasion to spare me so many varieties, not just me alone. Maybe we just within me alone, my career could be very, very boring otherwise. You told me a story, once when we were talking about how, a French journalist asked you, you know, how much you loved Marlowe and you Oh, yes. Talk to. Robbie. Can you tell that story? Yeah. Right now. Many, many years ago at the Vineita in Verona. So I introduced my first the first money experiment and the friend general is gonna be how much you loan me loan? Do you loan me loan? So much, my answer? How much? When Maybe I like so much that I would like to put in in my cappuccino in the morning. And the funny part of this story in some ways is that, at that time, people drank wine for breakfast with their cappuccino. So it's just a regular thing. Right? I like it every day. Every day. Every day. Every day. Well, I want to kind of move to Orvieto a little bit because this is our, you know, shared passion and and project, to really help the world to see, the the dynamic complexity and potential of Orvieto wines. And you were born in the orbito zone, and you live in the orbito zone. Yeah. And we to, you know, we we hope to reveal to the world that this is one of the truly great zones for white wine production. Due to its unique set of diverse soil terawatts and profound historical, richness of the place, the town, the the zone, and and really, and the wines. And so within Orvieto, you consult several wineries. And then as I mentioned, you're also the managing director of Monruvio, which is Orvieto's, largest of the two cooperatives. So can you talk to us for a moment about, what Orvieto means to you in the arc of your career? And also, right now, going forward in your career. What do you want people to understand? Well, Orgett is my wife because I was born in Orgettos, I live in Orgettos, I love the producer of Orgettos is my friend or my friend. Organ is my heart because I love the place, you know, the producer of the people, of the wine, of the grapes. So in my my approach in this area, was always more, professional because, I am convinced that Orvieto is one of the most important Italian white wines. The only problem that Orvieto start researching the quality just ten, fifteen years ago. Before it was a normal white wine, totally separate producer like Maruglai and so Barbi where I am a American Consulting. Decide to make this payment. And today, Orvieto is a very important way to buy in a country. Also because the, the innovation, especially in the in the vines in the variety. We introduce, we put the focus in the most important white variety of cognizant of the procedure. We use the skin contact before the fermentation. So we transform the technology in the vineyard in the valley. We needed people like you, Tanya, that we can display around the world. What is the yellow wine? With the communication with this man because I assume that when the the you know that the when the people taste their data, the people like life is mine. And all my family is involved in this man. My brother, my daughter, Dominic, my son-in-law, your power, or my family law, Gieto. Don't forget why because we are convinced we are convinced needs needs absolutely high quality like we are going to get it. But first of all, again, you need to be to be well known around the world. So, Tanya, Please continue your work, your patience to introduce your getting your work, please. Oh, I definitely plan on continuing my work. And for me, actually, I was speaking with somebody yesterday who said you know, I I think of you as, you know, as a person who, you know, I I obviously, I focus on bourgogne wines a lot and, the white wines of bourgogne are my great, a great love and passion of mine as well. But She said, do you really put Orvieto in the same category for yourself? And I said, absolutely. The it's such an exciting wine. And even, you know, the the variety of styles that are produced of of white wine styles that are produced in this region because of the diverse tie tire wars and the fact that the climate permits to make, you know, wines that range from dry to unconsciously, you know, sweet. It is truly exciting. And even though sparkling wine is not part of the Deshi Panade or the doc, the sparkling wines are amazing. So it's really just and and these wines, there are wines that you can drink right now that are just, like, so refreshing. You you're brought to your childhood almost to an innocence, and then there are wines that you you know are gonna age for many, many years of deepen in their complexity. And so for me, if I could spend the rest of my life, you know, in one place, you know, that could be it because all the there's so many different pleasures to be had there. But this isn't a a interview about my opinion, but I did wanna say those things. But along those lines, you were talking about family. And, I know, you know, your commitment to your community and your country, and your the land is is evident. But also family is really important to you. You work very closely, both personally and professionally with your brother, and your family seems to be, very central to your identity. In fact, the name of your company is Familla Cortrella. Right? Yeah. Phamilla Cortrella is going? Why we call, our state, Falezco, because Falezco means, from Montezco is the place where we start with our state Not all that so close to the border with the umbrella. My Fanesco because, I I was I am the consultant I make it from another one. It is my brother is the CEO of an Antinori. So we consider not correct to call our state because our name was involved with so many other activities for the other people. But when four years ago, we gave the state to our daughters. They told us we don't have any other job. We work just for our state. We are Cudarela. Since now the name would be familiar. Okay. For this reason, it was for Palesco in Plamina, but also because I think that the wine needs to be recognized, you know, with the name of the family producer or with the name of the the company producer. Okay. First, in the container is quite well known in the world. So in this sense, we put our knowledge, not also in the mind of the consumer in our wines. And As you know, my family is completely involved. Now our three daughters, one, my two of my brothers, our, sonny loves. Are involved in our state. Is a good to say that is a situated in North El Paso and South to Umbria, very close divided by the Tiger River. And, so a very important thing because we are more than two hundred sector means, more or less six hundred acres. A nice one area, very technology. And so, today, Today, this one represent. Maybe the people think. No. No. I can say this, but all people say that it's one of the most important one in the central fiddly. And they were very proud because our daughter, our manager didn't stay very, very well. It's wonderful. I I love following your your daughters on on social media and, and they're beautiful. So it's really also the the winery is, can everybody hear me okay? Let's see. Okay. Good. I am just making sure my earbuds have their battery charged. I so I one thing I love about Velestco is the diversity of wines that you're presenting, you know, from, your Merlo to can you tell us about some of the local varieties that you're, playing with at, Fameña Cortarella? Well, as you know, only latio are the two poor regions about a very important, Valito. Okay. We have San Antonio. We are so close to Tuscany. So, we put our attention in the middle for the rest and then for for the red wines and for, then our attention in a very special variety called Rosheto. White varietal. By this, we produce not not just sparky wine, classic medium, but also very important wine that can age for many, many years. And at the same time, they're maintaining or sea rise are not very important, but I thought we we grow in a lots of region. So my estate represents a certain experimental state because as you know, I teach at university. So my state is depends where my students, get the experience, made the experiment. So thank to them. We study very, very deep, deep away, my estate. The soil decline everything. I this last time I was in Orvieto, this summer, I had, both the traditional methods, sparkling Rosheto, and the, and the still one that you make. And wow, I just I loved it. I really felt that capability. First of all, the structural propensity to make a great sparkling wine Yeah. Was really beautiful. And in the still wine, I really felt the nobility of the age ability and the the longevity potential of that wine was just, really brought me a lot of pleasure. I I I thought that was it's really interested me a lot. I guess, yeah, loved it. I'm and those wines are not in my market. So, you know, I usually when I'm there in Orvietta, I'm thinking only about Orvietta wines, so it was really, great to taste those wines. And even when I've been to Velasco, you know, we are talking about, you know, Geketo and prokhaniko. And so it was wonderful to, to taste those wines. I guess I wanna finish before we open up to some questions, by, obviously, we've been talking about all the different projects and advocacy for wine and wine culture that you're involved in in Italy and and globally as well. And is there some project that you're working on that you haven't shared with us that you'd like to touch upon that's really, moving you at the moment? Where my life, my career is always plenty of project because in my life, I want to be involved in the experiment in discovery territory. Ma'am, before that, okay, I like discovery territory in the vines. But first of all, I like to discover the people because, every people approach the the Viticulture, you know, the different way, the different patient. Okay. If you know the Italian producer, They are completely different from French producing, from Spanish producing. Think about the Japanese people. You know, are you are you involved with the Japanese people in Japanese? I would produce the wine. So they approach is completely different. Another way, so precise. So so fast because they want to to be they are very proud about this country, their country. So they want to be the best one or think about, I don't know, the is a Palestine Spanish. Spanish is in Spain in United States. So the last project is not so usual project because, the pope princess, call me to produce the wine material. Wow. And, yes. Maybe we replanted two actors ordering here. Okay. And the next time next year, we brew the first wine. So you know that the surprise for the customer is very, very high in the surprise because on my goal, the Vatican state will use the Y. Why? Why? Why? Vaticans state cannot produce the Y? So, but, yeah, other projects are very, very fun in the separate sense, you know, for the, for example, the last one to buy your car and, you know, or I don't know. In Malgarian, or in England, or Georgia. Today, I conclude the collaboration with very important producing Georgia. So in a certain sense, I don't abandon the the the price that I discovered in the past because I prefer I I like to keep the displays to increase displays. But the same time, I I am very curious not to discover the present in the world because, in every play that they discover, I know I discover new people, new wines, new territory, new soil, and new climate. And for me, it's the reason I convinced me to continue with my career. Because Tanya, I am seventy five. I can say stop. I need to be re I I need to rest. No. I I I rest just if I I have in the middle of a device, Give me another one. There's so much more that I wanna talk to you about that's, come to my mind, but I think it's for another conversation. I'm so excited. That, actually, I'm also excited that we're bringing, some people from the UK to Orvieto in June to make some new ambassadors and, interested in sharing and learning about your projects there as well. I also really feel that, excited about your project for the pope because it it within a historical context as an Orvietano, it really makes sense that you would, be asked to do this project since, how many seven seven popes was it that that spent time in Orvieto? Yeah. In the yeah. Yes. Seven seven fourth, three in Elvieto. We were very anxious story about the feeding between Oregon and Nepal. But, now as you go, we had a pop from Argentina. It it his family come from PDmont, you know, and he has the patch over the wine. He asked me why we don't plan, Argentina right or, you know, like my bag. So we are in Italy. No. We did not plan my bag. Okay. I'm sorry. We are not in Italy. We are in Mexico state, but we're already in Italy in the middle of Italy. I'm very, very designing project. This one because, I didn't know, all the all the work we speak about the the one with the pope. Entania will be one of the first people, but, we'll change this wine. I promise. Okay. Oh my god. That is fun. I'm gonna be there soon in a few months. So and then I'll be there again and again and again. Oh, it's so wonderful to hear your voice. And I I think that it's time to open this back up to Stevie, and, and also there's some people that have some questions. So, Steve, you wanna come on in? Well, you guys thank you so much. I don't I'm I am actually in New York at the moment, so I don't have my roadcaster with the special effects, but this is where I would put in, a school of applause. But I don't have that. So Ricardo. That's true. It's like, you know, he pinged me before coming on. He's like, I think I need to speak in Italian. And I'm like, no. No. Just try. Ricardo, you're Italian. Italian. Italian. Really? It's not that bad. But Ricardo, so if in the audience, if you have a question, please put, put up your hands. And I will bring you up onto the stage. But Ricardo, I have two questions for you. One a little bit kind of fun, and one a little bit kind of heavy. Which one do you want first? Where do you want? Which do you want? Okay. So the first one is, you know, you had you call them, sisters. Cortarela sisters, but they're actually not sisters. Right? Yeah. Can you explain to us exactly what their roles of Marta, Lominga, and of, of course, Erica. Yeah. Tell us how the roles are divided and why they're called sisters, even if they're not. Well, my family, I think that's a very special relationship. I in my family is is a Hi. My wife, my sister-in-law. My niece and my daughter. So my So you have one daughter and the other two are Neesys. Yes. Right. But, eventually, we live in the same house. Yeah. It's crazy. Yes. No. No. It's a very nice thing. Believe me. And, My daughter, my my wife, my sister-in-law, say all day together, all day. They say they are so close more than two sisters. Right. In this in this situation, our daughters, lammed to be very very close between them. So they call my sister or my sister and the people think that I have three daughters and my my brother are three daughters. Exactly. Exactly. But that's what I thought. They are the same. Yeah. They are the same. But so how are the roles, like, organized now? Who does what? In the company? Yes. Desir Dominga is the responsible for the marketing. Mhmm. Erika, for the communication, and the Martha for administration. At the same time, our solid law, my solid law is the Ymeke. That is the director of the my consulting company. And the the the the husband, my name, the responsible for the market in South America, Australia, and, China. The the younger daughter is not married yet. So we are going to wait another solid loan that work in the union. Yeah. So you you have everything organized. Your legacy will continue. Forever. Please please please see. Don't call me godfather, please. Ricardo, listen. So my other question is a little bit heavy. It's a little because we have this problem with line labeling, issue right now, with health warning, which the EU is considering. Can you tell us a little bit about this situation where we are and what is your, in your professional, opinion, what can happen, and what can we do as the line in this street because, of course, this will affect all of us. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. Right. It's a very, very important difficult, moment about the communication of your life. From the, etcetera people, etcetera countries. No? Okay. The Alice people want to write in the big black label some bad place that we we don't like. Absolutely. Because the way respect to the other product like whiskey like a room, like, on yuck. No. It's another it's another problem. It's not the story. The wine come from the grapes, from the the the soil. So the wine, we we say that if you consume the wine with the moderation. So the wine can be very useful for the the life of the people. Like so many, people that study the wine no sales. Think about the French part of those for example, about the resveratrolo. That is very much for the for the ancient people, for the whole people know about the the proxy collection. So, at this moment, we are some some journalists, especially some journalists that just to to fool the page of the newspaper write very bad fake news about the virus. So like Y makers, we are we are gonna just two two weeks ago, very important, it's impossible to enable. Call so many people from United States, from French, from Italy, from Germany that introduced decided experiment that they made in the people that consume with the mother and shoot the wine. They had the advantage about many parts of the the body, especially for the the heart especially for the for the stomach or the digestion. So in other in other places that people say, no, no, no, they're wise and I'm talking to you the right. But don't say, don't consume the alcohol. They say, don't consume the wine. Is it a bad, bad way to introduce this problem because the wine, sometimes ten percent of the call, no more than fifteen percent of the call. Think about fifty percent dot com. Think about what? I got sixty percent dot com. Yeah. And, I mean, the Irish, I remember that they, want to link Yeah. The label directly to cancer, for example, right, or liver disease. It's very, very harsh. Absolutely. But so, I don't put the fault in other people because I this country as the highest percentage of the junk people. So in a certain sense that I can protect. The people. But at the same time, they offend the wine. Maybe they came right in the middle. Don't consume the super hardcore. Don't consume grappa. Don't consume watercolor. Because the the alcohol is very very high. At this moment, I think the the law is not entered in the in the irish people, but because all the cancel producer like French, Italy Spanish, Portugal, and Germany said to the European community, please, please, if you write in the back label on the label, cancel a wine are very close you can you can find the bacon egg, please. Don't eat too much too much, bread. Don't eat too much meat. Yeah. Oh, sugar. Those more. Okay. I don't want to be, you know, I don't like to hear about the cigarette. But everything that you consume in a great quantity is very dangerous for the for the the body, for the for the human. For your health. Mhmm. But but Ricardo but Ricardo, my question is, what do you think will happen now in the next, you know, few years down the road? About this problem. Yeah. About this problem because it is a problem. Actually, the, you know, I was running three different events here in New York and New Jersey, and we were all very concerned about this. Well, it depends how long would be the story. Mhmm. Because, could it be a very particular moment? Is the I think that if we are going to to to show that it's not true, okay? Probably, not just the Alice people, but also the war will be coming that a very a very, moderate consume over the wire is not dangerous. It's useful for the for the help. But it even how long it's going to be the story. Okay. Because every year, every every day today in your newspaper, magazine TV, the people speak. Alcohol and why cancer. So it's a bad story, but we are so many people that Acom is that is a is a fake news. But, at the moment, I can say what would be the real concept. I hope that to finish as soon as possible. Alright. So how can we keep up with the news? Do you, like, at Asonology? Oh, yes. Constance update of this information? Where can we tell our ambassadors to look for additional information? Of course, we have the internet, but do you, does Asonology, for example, are particularly, aware and committed to engaging in communication about this policy? Unfortunately, the astronaut is the only association that is in the war for the reason because every day with the communication, about the study of the the very important people in this, in this place, we are ours to this experiment. We organized this symposium, Napory, and they were going to organize a very important another symposium to groups there. Close to the European community. Yeah. That's probably will also be very important. Right? Yes. Absolutely. So in this way, I will I will contact the president because we want to involve also, we're not hearing this this project. I don't know if he had it, the minister of IverTura. So I can I k major the consequence? I own that in a few days, is a discussion continues. Right. Okay. Well, let's hope so. Let's cross our fingers. Time is up for now. So Tanya, did you want to add anything? I saw your mic. No. No. I, I'm just I'm here, and I I I have been following this story a little bit, in the, on on social media. And the, Esologia has, you know, been posting articles including a really nice one that Ricardo wrote. So, not every day, but periodically, they are posting things on Facebook about this subject. Okay. Great. So that will be very good for our community and the ambassadors. Thank you so much. Leica, can you just come on for one second? Tell us what's up next. So next is going to be on February too. So we will have Julie, Julie, Faraker. She's here on the stage. Farash is here on the thobby. And she will be interviewing Juliet's password. Okay. We you sound like you're under submarine or something, so I can't hear you very well. But and is it is that next Thursday? Yeah. It's next Thursday. Okay. So six PM, our usual slot. We're back next week. So thank you so much, Ricardo. Okay. 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