
Ep. 2473 Jessica Dupuy interviews Amanda Barnes MW | TEXSOM 2025
TEXSOM 2025
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<think> I need to analyze the provided text, which is a transcript of Episode 2473 of the Italian Wine Podcast featuring Jessica Dupuy interviewing Amanda Barnes MW at TEXSOM 2025. I'll need to create a concise content analysis following the specified format with: 1. Key Themes (max 5 points) 2. Summary (max 200 words) 3. Key Takeaways (max 6 points) 4. Notable Quotes (max 3) 5. Follow-up Questions (max 3) Let me carefully read through the transcript to identify the main content and themes. The podcast features Jessica Dupuy interviewing Amanda Barnes MW at TEXSOM 2025. Amanda Barnes is a wine writer who moved from the UK to South America in 2009 to learn about wine in a wine-producing country. She's now based in South America and is recognized as a leading authority on South American wines. She's also the first Master of Wine to earn the qualification while living in South America. Key topics covered in the interview: - Amanda's journey from England to South America to pursue wine journalism - Her work as a journalist covering South American wine regions (Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Brazil, Bolivia, Peru) - Her book "The South America Wine Guide" - Her experience becoming a Master of Wine while living in South America - Discussion about "iconic" South American wines - The evolution of South American wine regions - Her perspective on Italian wines and connections between Italian and South American wine cultures Let me identify the key themes: 1. Career transition and professional journey - Amanda's move from England to South America to pursue wine journalism, her early struggles, and how she established herself as an authority on South American wines. 2. South American wine expertise - Her deep knowledge of multiple South American wine regions beyond just Argentina and Chile, including Uruguay, Brazil, Bolivia, and Peru. 3. Master of Wine achievement - Her experience becoming the first Master of Wine while living in South America, the challenges of studying without access to global wines, and her approach to the exams. 4. South American wine identity - Discussion about what makes an "iconic" South American wine, the quality and aging potential of these wines, and the need to move beyond stereotypes about South American wines being only affordable Malbecs. 5. Publishing and education - Her motivation for writing "The South America Wine Guide," the challenges of getting it published, and the importance of detailed educational resources about South American wines. Now for the summary (max 200 words): The podcast features Jessica Dupuy interviewing Amanda Barnes MW at TEXSOM 2025. Barnes, originally from England, moved to South America in 2009 to immerse herself in wine production regions. She became a leading authority on South American wines across multiple countries (Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Brazil, Bolivia, Peru), eventually writing "The South America Wine Guide." Barnes discusses her unconventional path to becoming the first Master of Wine while living in South America, highlighting the challenges of studying without access to global wines. She describes how she focused on developing tasting description skills rather than memorization. The conversation explores what constitutes an "iconic" South American wine, with Barnes arguing that these regions produce exceptional wines at various price points that deserve more respect and aging potential. She emphasizes the sophistication and diversity of South American wines beyond the common Malbec stereotype. Barnes also shares her perspective on Italian wines, noting cultural connections between Italy and South America, particularly Argentina. The interview reveals her passion for exploring native grape varieties and preserving lesser-known wine traditions. Key takeaways (max 6 points): - Barnes moved to South America at 23 to pursue wine journalism when few international journalists covered the region, giving her unique access to winemakers - She became the first Master of Wine while living in South America, overcoming challenges of limited wine access through focused tasting description skills - South American wines offer exceptional quality across price points, with many capable of aging 20-30 years despite common perceptions - Barnes self-published "The South America Wine Guide" after traditional publishers wanted to limit coverage to just Chile and Argentina - The concept of "iconic" South American wines includes both intentional projects (like Sena) and emerging icons reflecting terroir - There's growing focus on native South American grape varieties that need preservation through consumer support Notable quotes (max 3): - "You cannot replace hospitality with AI." (This appears to be from another source in the search results, not directly from this transcript) - "I think all of us in the wine industry actually have worked really hard to get where we are. You know, so there was no it was there was no lack of kind of graft behind it, but it was also, you know, perfect timing" - "I do think taking a bet on, you know, relatively kind of safe country, like Chile Argentina from a respectable producer. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think you're gonna be disappointed." Wait, let me check the actual transcript for the most notable quotes: From the transcript: - "I think all of us in the wine industry actually have worked really hard to get where we are. You know, so there was no it was there was no lack of kind of graft behind it, but it was also, you know, perfect timing" - "I do think taking a bet on, you know, relatively kind of safe country, like Chile Argentina from a respectable producer. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think you're gonna be disappointed." - "You know, I think if you're if you're down there and you see as as you said yourself, you know, you see what's happening and you see how exciting it is and and help size these wines can be and the focus that so many of the producers have on on really understanding their place and, and truly trying to express that." Follow-up questions (max 3): 1. How might the growing focus on native South American grape varieties impact the global wine market and consumer preferences? 2. What specific challenges do sommeliers face when trying to educate consumers about the aging potential of South American wines? 3. How could the wine industry better support journalists and educators working in regions with limited access to global wine samples? Let me now compile this into the requested format, making sure to stay within the word limits. </think> **Content Analysis** **Key Themes (max 5 points)** 1. Career transition and professional journey - Amanda's move from England to South America at 23 to pursue wine journalism, overcoming early financial challenges and establishing herself as a leading authority. 2. South American wine expertise - Comprehensive knowledge spanning multiple countries (Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Brazil, Bolivia, Peru), moving beyond the common Malbec stereotype. 3. Master of Wine achievement - Becoming the first MW while living in South America, overcoming limited access to global wines through focused tasting description skills. 4. South American wine identity - Defining what makes an "iconic" South American wine and challenging perceptions about quality and aging potential. 5. Publishing and education - Motivation for writing "The South America Wine Guide" after traditional publishers wanted to limit coverage to just Chile and Argentina. **Summary (max 200 words)** The podcast features Jessica Dupuy interviewing Amanda Barnes MW at TEXSOM 2025. Barnes, originally from England, moved to South America in 2009 to immerse herself in wine production regions when few international journalists covered the area. She established herself as a leading authority across multiple South American wine countries, eventually writing "The South America Wine Guide." Barnes discusses her unconventional path to becoming the first Master of Wine while living in South America, highlighting how she overcame limited access to global wines by focusing on developing tasting description skills rather than memorization. The conversation explores what constitutes an "iconic" South American wine, with Barnes arguing these regions produce exceptional wines at various price points that deserve more respect and aging potential. She emphasizes the sophistication and diversity beyond common Malbec stereotypes, noting that South American wines "nail it" at both affordable and premium price points. Barnes also shares her perspective on Italian wines, noting cultural connections between Italy and South America, particularly Argentina. The interview reveals her passion for exploring native grape varieties and preserving lesser-known wine traditions that need consumer support to survive. **Key Takeaways (max 6 points)** - Barnes moved to South America at 23 when few international journalists covered the region, giving her unique access to winemakers during a transformative period for the industry - She became the first Master of Wine while living in South America by focusing on tasting description skills rather than memorization, despite limited access to global wines - South American wines offer exceptional quality across price points, with many capable of aging 20-30 years despite common perceptions - Barnes self-published "The South America Wine Guide" after traditional publishers wanted to limit coverage to just Chile and Argentina - The concept of "iconic" South American wines includes both intentional projects (like Sena) and emerging icons reflecting terroir specificity - There's growing focus on native South American grape varieties that need preservation through consumer support to prevent them from disappearing **Notable Quotes (max 3)** - "I think all of us in the wine industry actually have worked really hard to get where we are... there was no lack of kind of graft behind it, but it was also... perfect timing" - "I do think taking a bet on, relatively kind of safe country, like Chile Argentina from a respectable producer... I don't think you're gonna be disappointed" - "You see what's happening and you see how exciting it is and the focus that so many of the producers have on really understanding their place and truly trying to express that" **Follow-up Questions (max 3)** 1. How might the growing focus on native South American grape varieties impact global wine diversity and consumer education efforts? 2. What specific strategies could help sommeliers overcome consumer skepticism about the aging potential of South American wines? 3. How can wine education programs better accommodate students in regions with limited access to global wine samples?
About This Episode
Speaker 0 talks about their desire to learn more about wine in South America and their desire to create a travel and wine magazine. They discuss their background and the importance of ageability and the success of South American wine in the market. They also talk about their past experiences with the wine industry and their desire to reenact different industries and cultures. They mention their interest in learning about the topic and their plans to write a Cheeky Pads for their book. They also discuss their experiences with tasting wine and their desire to create a travel and wine guide website.
Transcript
Know, I think I was twenty three at the time. I was tired of my job at the newspaper as editor. I'd got my masters. I wasn't learning anything more, and I was learning peanuts in England anyway. It was basically on minimum wage. I still am. Still journalists. So The boy will create it. Yeah. Yeah. But I I wanted an adventure, and I'd fall in love with South America from a farm. I just wanted to go and see it and live it and learn about wine in a wine producing country Yeah. And yes, Europe was on my doorstep. There were vines being planted literally on my doorstep. In England. Yeah. But, you know, I I was a young journalist, and I knew that I was gonna need to, you know, compete in a different level in order to become freelance. And I figured there were you know, plenty of them, in Europe and English speaking parts of the world. And so I decided to go to South America. Channel y'all. I'm Jessica Dupui, guest host for a special Texom series on the Italian wine podcast. Covering the twenty twenty five Texxon Conference in Dallas, Texas. Join me in the heart of the lone star state as we dive into conversations with key speakers and attendees, exploring career paths, chat challenges and the latest trend shaping the wine industry today. This series is proudly sponsored by the Texas Department of Agriculture' Uncourt Texas wines program, which celebrates Texas wine culture by promoting local wineries and grape growers, both in state and around the world, building a vibrant community around the Texas made wine. Be sure to subscribe and rate the show wherever you get your podcasts. And don't miss our Texas wine tidbit in every episode. A fun little fact insight or story that highlights the people and places behind this exciting wine scene. Alright. Well, Amanda Barnes, thank you so much for joining me. We are literally at the end of Texom, and I was able to catch you. So thank you for being on the show with us. It's a pleasure to be here and and the spirit of End of Texom. I have no voice. So I will do my best. And no voice at the end of Tex mom is a tech mom. Well, yeah, exactly. So thank you for coming. There's a lot to talk about today, but I would love it if you could kind of maybe start with just giving everybody a little bit of background about who you are, and we'll talk about how you got here after that. Okay. Great. Amanda Barnes. So I'm, was born in the UK in Hampshire in the south of England. It's known for a sparkling wine now. Yeah. But in two thousand and nine, I decided to go move to a wine region to learn more about wine, which was Argentina and South America. So I've been based there since two thousand and nine, traversing the wine regions of Argentina, Chile, Ottawa, Brazil, Bolivia, Brazil, Bolivia, you know, eventually wrote a book about it. In twenty nineteen, I started writing twenty one we published, and write for lots of different magazines. And Yeah. Other books as well. And, yeah, that's it. That so so I wanna pause on that because just deciding to leave England and go to South America, like, people who say, like, oh, I got into wine. I would think I mean, I don't mean to stereotype, but, like, it'd be like, okay, I wanna get into wine. I'm just gonna go down into Europe. Right? Like, I'm just gonna go to France or Italy or whatever. You chose South Africa. I mean, South America's so pretty. It happens. Absolutely. Wow. All the time. So you chose South America. Had you been there on a trip as a child? Yeah. You just went. Yes. And I didn't really think of it as that big a deal at the time, but other people asking me the question for years afterwards has made me realize that it was quite a big bet that I took. But, you know, I think I was twenty three at the time. I was tired of my job at the newspaper. I was editor. I'd got my masters. I wasn't learning anything more, and I was earning peanuts in England anyway. I was basically on minimum wage. I still am. I'm still journalists, so Yeah. But I I wanted an adventure, and I'd fall in love with South America from afar. You know, I'd fall in love with the literature. I had friends from South America when I was, you know, practicing Spanish in England, and I just wanted to go and see it and live it and and learn about wine in a wine producing country. Yeah. And yes, Europe was on my doorstep. There were vines being planted literally on my doorstep. In England. Yeah. But you know, I I I was a young journalist, and I knew that I was gonna need to, you know, compete in a different level in order to become freelance. And I figured there were, you know, plenty of them in Europe and English speaking parts of the world. And so I decided to go to South America and, you know, really started improving my Spanish when I was there. And that gave me a niche really quickly. I'm still the only native English language journalist really kind of focused living in the region, you know, writing about those regions. I mean, what was that like in terms of breaking into the wine regions? So we talk about, you know, like, I'm from Texas. I started in wine by covering Texas wine. So at a entry by just going and knocking on doors and talking to different wineries in Texas. Right? What was it like for you to just say, okay, here I am? Or did we do in Mendoza? And then you just looked like So, I mean, I I stopped off in Rio as you do. And then, you know, like, went from holiday and traveled around to of it, but when I when I landed in Mendoza, I'd already lined myself up writing for free for a travel and wine magazine. Okay. So it's a very small magazine called wine Republic. There was a kind of every two months would have an addition. And, we'd give it away for free in hotels and at wineries. And, you know, that was a great opportunity. I've never been shy of working for free. I've done it, you know, since those eleven, for experience. And so, you know, that was my way of kinda getting my foot in. And then eventually, well, after a couple weeks, actually, I was offered the position of editor, paid the grand total of two hundred pesos a month, which now is effectively. I mean, it's not even, like, ten cents now a month. So so I had to teach English at the same time in order to be able to kind of pay some some form of rent. And then started building up my freelance portfolio. Okay. So So it was very piecemeal, but at the same time, what was magical about two thousand and nine, two thousand and ten, was that it was before any kind of major international journalists were coming with regularity. So now we do have a handful who come every year, every other year. And that's great. At that moment, there was there was no one there. So it was a great it was a really great time to start writing about it because the winemakers had loads of time, and they were really keen to kind of show me around and spend time with me in the vineyards. Say, you know, I could learn from them at the same time as they were really in their own journey of of changing South America mine and and, you know, going through this, like, revolution in the vineyards and the wineries. So it was, you know, an opportune time to arrive. Totally, you know serendipitous. Yeah. But a brilliant moment to kind of see that change happen and and and be on the on the front line. Well, and to be here now and, like, be thinking about it in hindsight. Right? Yeah. Like, you couldn't have anticipated. And yet at the same time, you happen to be in the right place at the right time. Yeah. I think that's life, isn't it? Yeah. You know, like, they try and plan things, and they never go to plan. So, you know, it's better not to have a plan. And, yeah, and I, I mean, I worked hard. It's not to say, you know, I think all of us in the wine industry actually have worked really hard to get where we are. You know, so there was no it was there was no lack of kind of graft behind it, but it was also, you know, perfect timing Yeah. Unintentionally. So let me ask you this, because yo
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