Ep. 2544 Crafting Michelin-Level Hospitality with Sommelier Marco Nardi | Wine, Food & Travel with Marc Millon
Episode 2544

Ep. 2544 Crafting Michelin-Level Hospitality with Sommelier Marco Nardi | Wine, Food & Travel with Marc Millon

Wine, Food & Travel with Marc Millon

December 2, 2025
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Marco Nardi
Hospitality & Travel

Episode Summary

<think> I need to analyze the provided text, which is a transcript from a podcast episode titled "Ep. 2544 Crafting Michelin-Level Hospitality with Sommelier Marco Nardi | Wine, Food & Travel with Marc Millon". The text is quite long, so I'll need to identify key themes, summarize the content, extract key takeaways, notable quotes, and suggest follow-up questions. First, let me understand the main content of this podcast episode: The episode features an interview with Marco Nardi, who is the Head Sommelier at Caractère Restaurant in Notting Hill, London. The restaurant has a Michelin star and was created by Emily Roux and her husband Diego Ferrari. The restaurant represents a fusion of French and Italian culinary traditions. Key points from the interview: 1. Marco Nardi describes Caractère as a restaurant that allows customers to build their own tasting menu by selecting from different "trades" or categories, rather than offering a fixed tasting menu. 2. He explains his approach to wine pairing, which is highly personalized and adaptable to customer preferences (e.g., creating a wine pairing experience based solely on red wine if that's what a customer prefers). 3. Marco has created a unique wine list that focuses on showcasing the families behind winemaking, with some families getting half a page or an entire page dedicated to them. He describes transforming the wine list into an interactive book-like experience. 4. The wine list features solely Italian and French wines to stay with the heritage of the restaurant, and includes three important features: family-oriented selections, "peewee" (Piwi) wines (fungal-resistant hybrid grape varieties), and a Bordeaux collection. 5. Marco emphasizes the importance of the "family rule" at Caractère, noting that Emily Roux comes from culinary royalty (the Roux family, known for Le Gavroche and Waterside Inn). 6. He shares specific wine and food pairings, including a celeriac cacio e pepe dish paired with a Sicilian Catarato wine, and a chocolate dessert paired with a Sauternes. 7. Marco explains that about 80% of customers opt for one of the wine pairing experiences rather than ordering by the bottle, because of the flexibility and playful nature of the options. 8. He has about 30 wines available by the glass (including Coravin selections), allowing customers to experience a range of flavors throughout their multi-course meal. Now, let me cross-reference this with the search results provided to see if there's any additional context or verification: From search result [1], I can confirm that Marco Nardi is indeed Italian from Milan and is the Head Sommelier at Caractère Restaurant in Notting Hill London since March 2022. From search result [3], I see that Caractère Restaurant offers a 3-course set lunch menu curated by Chef Diego & Gaetano, paired with 2 glasses of wine chosen by Marco Nardi, the Sommelier. Now, let me analyze the key themes related to wine list design and sommelier practices based on both the podcast transcript and the search results: 1. Personalization and customer experience: Marco emphasizes creating a wine list and pairing experience that's highly personalized to each customer's preferences. 2. Storytelling through wine: His wine list focuses on the stories of the families behind the winemaking, transforming it into an interactive, book-like experience. 3. Heritage and tradition: The wine list features solely Italian and French wines to align with the restaurant's French-Italian fusion concept, and includes a special Bordeaux collection. 4. Innovation and future-focused approach: Marco includes "peewee" (Piwi) wines, which are fungal-resistant hybrid grape varieties that represent the future of winemaking in the face of climate change. 5. Education and engagement: Marco's approach aims to educate customers about wine while making the experience playful and engaging. Now, let me check the search results for additional insights on wine list design that might complement Marco's approach: From search result [2], I see that a good wine list should be user-friendly, reflect clientele, complement menus, be categorized, and clearly link prices to wines. It also mentions avoiding a simple least-to-most expensive arrangement and instead categorizing by type, region, or other meaningful groupings. From search result [4], I see tips like knowing your audience, including a variety of selections, seasonal offerings, thoughtful presentation and description, and including affordable options. From search result [6], I see advice about categorizing wine lists (reds, whites, rosés, sparkling, dessert wines), using appropriate layout and design, and leading off categories with distinctive selections. From search result [8], there's emphasis on having a unifying vision for the wine list and ensuring the wine enhances the food. From search result [9], there are tips about starting with 2-12 wines by the glass, organizing into sections, balancing types, keeping the list complete, and considering seasonality. Now I'll craft my content analysis following the requested format: **Content Analysis** **Key Themes (max 5 points)** 1. Personalized wine experiences: Marco creates highly adaptable wine pairings that cater to individual customer preferences rather than offering a fixed menu. 2. Storytelling through wine: The wine list is designed as an interactive book that highlights the families behind winemaking, transforming it from a simple menu into an educational experience. 3. Heritage and innovation balance: The list features traditional Italian and French wines alongside innovative "peewee" (Piwi) varieties that address climate change challenges. 4. Integration with culinary philosophy: The wine program complements the restaurant's unique approach of allowing customers to build their own tasting menu. 5. Creating a playful, game-like atmosphere: Marco describes the wine selection process as "playing a game" that enhances the dining experience and encourages exploration. **Summary (max 200 words)** The podcast features an interview with Marco Nardi, Head Sommelier at Michelin-starred Caractère Restaurant in London's Notting Hill. Nardi discusses his innovative approach to wine list design and service at the French-Italian fusion restaurant created by Emily Roux (of culinary royalty) and her husband Diego Ferrari. Rather than a traditional wine list, Nardi has created an interactive, book-like experience that showcases winemaking families with dedicated pages featuring their stories. His list focuses exclusively on Italian and French wines to align with the restaurant's heritage, highlighting three key elements: family-oriented selections, "peewee" (Piwi) fungal-resistant hybrid varieties representing the future of winemaking, and a carefully curated Bordeaux collection. Notably, Nardi has developed highly adaptable wine pairing experiences that accommodate individual preferences (like all-red pairings), with 80% of customers choosing these experiences over traditional bottle service. His approach complements the restaurant's unique menu structure that allows diners to build their own tasting menu across different categories. Nardi emphasizes creating a playful, educational atmosphere where wine selection becomes an engaging part of the dining experience rather than an intimidating choice. **Key Takeaways (max 6 points)** - Wine lists should tell stories: Featuring winemaking families with dedicated space transforms a functional menu into an engaging narrative experience - Personalization drives sales: Nardi's adaptable pairing approach results in 80% of customers choosing wine experiences over bottle service - Balance tradition with innovation: Including both heritage wines (like aged Bordeaux) and forward-looking varieties (Piwi grapes) creates a dynamic list - Wine should complement innovative menu structures: Nardi's pairings work with the restaurant's unique "build your own tasting menu" concept - Education enhances experience: Providing information about lesser-known varieties (like Piwi wines) creates conversation and customer engagement - Playfulness matters: Framing wine selection as "playing a game" reduces intimidation and increases exploration **Notable Quotes (max 3)** - "I have created a wine list that aims at showcasing the family behind the winemaking... in a very interactive way, I try to transform the wine list into a book where you can literally take your time, read it through, learn a few things while you're reading it about the family or about wine in general, and then make your choice." - "I don't list anything younger than eight years from the year that I am in. So I always count at least eight years backwards, and I start the listing. But I also try to stretch as further back as I can because I think a good bottle of wine can bring you back a great memory in life." - "They see the bottle almost as a limiting factor... And, also, it goes both ways for tourist or locals returning customer... they're like, you know, what I used to go usually is very high end, even more high end than we are... But I'm put in front of maximum two options. And so either I go for one of them or I might as well go for my bottle, where because I can choose one, my wife can choose another, my son can choose another, and, like, you know, why not? Let's let's all play a game and go for it." **Follow-up Questions (max 3)** 1. How does Marco Nardi train his staff to effectively communicate the stories behind the winemaking families to customers who may have limited wine knowledge? 2. What specific challenges has he faced in sourcing and featuring Piwi varieties in a high-end restaurant setting, and how has customer reception evolved over time? 3. How does the restaurant manage inventory for such an extensive by-the-glass program (30 wines) while ensuring quality and minimizing waste? </think> **Content Analysis** **Key Themes (max 5 points)** 1. Storytelling through wine: Marco transforms the wine list into an interactive book that highlights winemaking families with dedicated pages, making it an educational experience rather than just a sales tool. 2. Personalized wine experiences: Nardi creates highly adaptable pairing options that accommodate individual preferences (like all-red pairings), resulting in 80% of customers choosing these experiences over traditional bottle service. 3. Heritage and innovation balance: The list features traditional Italian/French wines alongside "peewee" (Piwi) fungal-resistant hybrid varieties that address climate change challenges. 4. Integration with culinary philosophy: The wine program complements Caractère's unique menu structure that allows diners to build their own tasting menu across different categories. 5. Playful engagement: Framing wine selection as "playing a game" reduces intimidation and encourages exploration, creating a distinctive dining atmosphere. **Summary (max 200 words)** The podcast features Marco Nardi, Head Sommelier at Michelin-starred Caractère Restaurant in London's Notting Hill. Nardi discusses his innovative approach to wine service at the French-Italian fusion restaurant created by Emily Roux (of culinary royalty) and Diego Ferrari. Rather than a traditional wine list, he's created an interactive, book-like experience showcasing winemaking families with dedicated pages. His list focuses exclusively on Italian and French wines, highlighting three key elements: family-oriented selections, "peewee" varieties representing winemaking's future, and a carefully curated Bordeaux collection where nothing is listed younger than eight years. Nardi's adaptable pairing approach results in 80% of customers choosing wine experiences over bottle service, as they can customize selections per person at the table. His philosophy aligns with industry best practices noted in search results: knowing the audience (search result #4), having a unifying vision (search result #8), and creating user-friendly categorization (search result #2). He avoids the common pitfall of organizing solely by price, instead creating thematic sections that complement the restaurant's "curious, subtle, delicate, robust" menu structure. Nardi emphasizes that wine selection should be playful and educational, transforming what could be intimidating into an engaging part of the dining journey. **Key Takeaways (max 6 points)** - Wine lists should tell stories: Featuring winemaking families creates emotional connections that transform functional menus into engaging narratives - Personalization drives sales: Adaptable pairing options accommodate individual preferences, resulting in 80% of customers choosing wine experiences - Balance tradition with innovation: Including both heritage wines and forward-looking varieties creates a dynamic, relevant list - Wine must complement menu innovation: Nardi's pairings work with the restaurant's unique "build your own tasting menu" concept - Education enhances experience: Providing information about lesser-known varieties creates conversation and customer engagement - Playfulness reduces intimidation: Framing wine selection as "playing a game" encourages exploration and increases satisfaction **Notable Quotes (max 3)** - "I have created a wine list that aims at showcasing the family behind the winemaking... in a very interactive way, I try to transform the wine list into a book where you can literally take your time, read it through, learn a few things while you're reading it about the family or about wine in general, and then make your choice." - "I don't list anything younger than eight years from the year that I am in... because I think a good bottle of wine can bring you back a great memory in life. And, if I can do that while you are at the restaurant, then I'll be very pleased to have done so." - "They see the bottle almost as a limiting factor... you can choose one, my wife can choose another, my son can choose another, and, like, you know, why not? Let's all play a game and go for it." **Follow-up Questions (max 3)** 1. How does Marco train staff to effectively communicate the stories behind winemaking families to customers with varying wine knowledge levels? 2. What specific challenges has he faced in sourcing and featuring Piwi varieties in a high-end restaurant setting, and how has customer reception evolved? 3. How does the restaurant manage inventory for such an extensive by-the-glass program (30 wines) while ensuring quality and minimizing waste?

About This Episode

The importance of family-related themes and customization for the taste of wine is discussed at a wine tour guide and at a chef's restaurant. The Roux family is recognized for their unique impact on the family, and the importance of working collaboratively is emphasized. The importance of a magical environment and working in a team for a better customer experience is emphasized, as it is crucial for creating a great customer experience. The importance of pairing and the number of wines available by the glass and the number of wine experiences available by the glass is emphasized, and customers are encouraged to visit the restaurant.

Transcript

I have created a wine list that aims at showcasing the family behind the winemaking. So Okay. There are a few families that are featured from Italy and France. They have literally a half a page or an entire page dedicated to them where in a very interactive way, I try to transform the wine list into a book where you can literally take your time, read it through, learn a few things while you're reading it about the family or about wine in general, and then make your choice. I think the three most important feature of a wine list are family orientated, the pee we claim for the future, and, the heritage of Bordeaux or our Bordeaux collection. Fascinating people with stories to share, fabulous wines and the best local foods to accompany them, and beautiful places to discover and visit. All of this and more on wine, food, and travel with me, Mark Millan, on the Italian wine podcast. Join me for a new episode every Tuesday. Welcome to wine, food, and travel with me, Mark Millan, on Italian wine podcast. Today, we travel to London to Notting Hill to meet my guest, Marco Nardi, who is wine buyer and head sommelier at the acclaimed Michelin star restaurant, Carretera. Good morning, Marco. Thanks so much for being with us. How are you? Good morning, Mark. How are you? All good. All good. It's not raining, which is already a positive sign. And he's also he's all good. All good, I think. Well, I'm in, Devon, and it is raining. It's pretty pretty horrible day. I'm coming up to London tomorrow, so I hope it's it stays dry tomorrow. Hope for you. Okay. Well well, Marco, first of all, take our listeners who are located all around the world. Take us all to London, to Notting Hill, and to Caractair. Share with us the story of this highly rated Michelin star restaurant that's the creation of Emily Roo and her husband Diego Ferrari. So Notting Hill is beautiful part of London that has been really, redeveloped and rediscovered in the past twenty five, thirty years. And, now is one of the places where you want to be in London amongst other, but definitely, Notting Hill is where you want to be today. Very classy, but not too classy, very modern. There is, everything you can ask for in the food scene, and so we're very pleased to be in Notting Hill in this moment in time. About Caractera, Caractera is, the first child of, Diego and Emily, was born out of an idea, I think, at the 2017, but it really opened the door in October 2018. And here, they started, basically creating a fusion, a real fusion of two of the oldest and most admired food culture in the world, which is the French and the Italian. We feature a menu that is divided in trades, which is quite, an innovative things that I witnessed. The pleases customer because he allows you to choose not only in your a la carte option, but also you build your own tasting menu, which is something that I've never seen before. I worked in Michelin star before, and I worked in rest of the featured different tasting menu, but it was always a set tasting menu. When here, you you build your own. The only rule that we have is that the entirety of a table has to go for one of the menu, either a la carte or tasting menu. But, really, when I see when I see tables so pleased to be able to choose their own individually, it creates kind of a a completely different vibe at the table and a completely different experience to the customer. That is really interesting. I look forward to hearing more about that. That's, intriguing idea. I would imagine it would lead to long discussions and perhaps sometimes arguments as people want to try different things. Absolutely. I would say that for a couple, I will say, is the best menu you can give them because they can literally say, you know, it's a five course tasting menu. Every trade in the menu, because it may just divide in trades or categories as you prefer. Every category has two different option, and they're like, okay. You're gonna have this, and I'm gonna have that. So basically, by the end of the order, we're gonna try everything on the menu in in one night, which is, I think one of the best thing you can or you you can ask for more because when you want customer to experience what you're capable of, sometime I hear correctly chef saying, but if you go for free courses, you're kind of missing out on the old picture. When here, having this kind of option, you always have the entirety of the menu at your disposal and in the two, three hours depending on how long you want to be, you have the full experience. I'm not gonna lie for the wine pairing is also great fun and a great challenge, which in fact, I do I run four different wine pairings, four different wine experience, two for the a la carte free courses, and two for the tasting menu five courses, but none of them are written because very much I want to stay on the same philosophy. My question was, why if chef decided to give that kind of freedom to the customer to decide by putting himself in a bit more of trouble? Because, of course, if you don't have a set, a tasty menu is always about, you know, complying to what the customer will is. And also, chef is very, very good at catering for pretty much any diet requirement, which is something that is extremely challenging for the kitchen, but I see a restaurant moving away from it, which I understand I understand the reason why. I'm not gonna judge anyone. I understand the reason why. I'm just pleased dating in here. We can accommodate pretty much anything if possible with so if you are outside listening, please let us know in advance as much as possible. But, but we've been into situation where we had to cater last minute, and, we did that. And for the wine, it's a bit the same. I have encountered customer that were like, you know, I don't think I'm gonna have the wine pairing because I only like red wine. And I'm like, you don't have to worry about it. I'm gonna make you a full experience based solely on red wine. Obviously, you have to bear in mind that I am adapting the menu for you. So if the red wine that I'm giving you with the tuna tartare it's not really the perfect pairing. You have to excuse me for that. And I see people very pleased, very, very pleased, which in fact, 80% of our customer go for the wine pairing option or one of the wine pairing option, especially if they are returning customer, which is another thing that I found in this restaurant as one of the key component of a sensation that the family rule gives you. And I tell you why I think that is different in a minute. But the fact that people, when they return, they know already that the menu is gonna be adapted, that the wine pairing can be adapted. And so they just go for it, happily, and they have a lot of fun having it. So they actually challenge me when they are returning customer like, oh, what are you gonna give me today? And because the the wine pairing is never written, it's every time a new feature. So it's a new experience and a new home and a new opportunity for the customer. Yeah. So you've really described a restaurant that sounds completely unique in its approach and in these opportunities for the diner to be interactively directly involved both with the selection of the menus and, of course, the wines. Now I must mention, of course, you mentioned the family rule. Emily, of course, is culinary royalty. Yep. Her grandparents, father, and uncle are amongst the most well known and celebrated chefs in The UK, most famously, of course, for Le Gavroche, which opened in 1967 and earned and held three Michelin stars, as well as the Waterside Inn, which has held three Michelin stars for forty consecutive years. Diego spent three years at head chef at Le Gave Roche. So Yes. The creation of character is this must be the realization of a dream for both Diego and Emily. Is that right? I say definitely yes. And, I think the exact reason why Emily didn't take over Le Gavroche is I am sure 90% of people would expect. You k