Ep. 2474 Ben Aneff of US Wine Trade Alliance| On The Road Edition with Stevie Kim
Episode 2474

Ep. 2474 Ben Aneff of US Wine Trade Alliance| On The Road Edition with Stevie Kim

On The Road Edition

September 21, 2025
406.41306
Ben Aneff
Wine Trade
wine

Episode Summary

<think> I need to create a concise content analysis of the provided text about US tariffs on European wines and spirits. The analysis should follow a specific format with sections for Key Themes, Summary, Key Takeaways, Notable Quotes, and Follow-up Questions, all within a maximum of 800 words. First, let me understand what the text is about. It appears to be a podcast transcript featuring an interview with Ben Aneff (or Anef), who is the president of the US Wine Trade Alliance (USWTA). The interview discusses the current state of US tariffs on European wines, particularly focusing on Italian wines, and their impact on the US wine industry. Let me extract the key information from the text: 1. Current tariff situation: There is a 15% tariff on products coming from the European Union, including Italian wine. 2. Potential exclusions: There's a possibility of exclusions being made later, but as of the time of the interview, the 15% tariff is in effect. 3. Economic impact: The US imports about $24 billion worth of wine from the EU but only exports $5.3 billion back, creating a significant trade surplus for the US. 4. Job impact: The sale of EU wines supports approximately 200,000 American jobs in importing and distribution, 47,500 independently owned wine stores, and numerous restaurant jobs. 5. Non-fungibility argument: European wines (like Chianti or Piedmont wines) cannot be substituted by American wines (like Napa Valley Cabernet) because they are different products for different consumers and occasions. 6. Advocacy efforts: The USWTA is pushing for tariff relief/exemptions, emphasizing that European wine sales are critical to US businesses in all 50 states. 7. Recommendations for producers: Italian producers should come to the US, tell their stories, and help US businesses better understand and communicate what makes their wines special. Now, let me cross-reference this with the search results provided to ensure I have the full context: From search result [1], I see that there was consideration of a significant increase in tariffs on European wines and spirits up to 30% as of August 1, 2025, which would have disastrous economic consequences. From search result [2], I see that imports of European wines and spirits into the US were facing a 15% tariff hike (a 50% increase from the previous 10% levy), with a "goods-on-the-water" exemption allowing products loaded within seven days to avoid the increased duties. From search result [3], I see that the US Wine Trade Alliance was urging US trade officials to ensure wine is included in the list of exempted goods under the new transatlantic trade framework. From search result [4], I learn that US consumers buy $24 billion of wine from Europe each year, while European consumers buy only $5.3 billion of wine from the US, creating a $19 billion difference that supports hundreds of thousands of American jobs. From search result [5], I see that it's unlikely wine and spirits will be included in the "zero-for-zero" products in the US-EU trade agreement. From search result [6], there's a letter from the "Toasts Not Tariffs Coalition" to President Trump requesting fair, reciprocal, tariff-free trade on spirits and wine. From search result [7], I see that the EU says the 15% tariffs that went into effect at the beginning of August apply to wine, though negotiations reportedly continue. From search result [8], I see more information about the US Wine Trade Alliance urging for a final wine exemption. Now I'll structure my content analysis according to the required format: **Content Analysis** **Key Themes (max 5 points)** I need to identify the 5 most important themes from the text. 1. Economic impact of tariffs on US businesses - The text emphasizes how EU wine imports support hundreds of thousands of US jobs across all 50 states. 2. Non-fungibility of European wines - The argument that specific European wines cannot be substituted by American or other wines. 3. Advocacy efforts for tariff exemptions - The USWTA and other industry groups are actively lobbying for wine to be included in "zero-for-zero" tariff exemptions. 4. Current tariff situation - The 15% tariff on EU wines and the potential for exclusions. 5. Strategies for producers - Recommendations for European producers to strengthen their US presence despite trade barriers. **Summary (max 200 words)** I'll provide a brief overview of the main points. **Key Takeaways (max 6 points)** I'll list the most important insights from the text. **Notable Quotes (max 3)** I'll select the most impactful quotes from the interview. **Follow-up Questions (max 3)** I'll pose thoughtful questions that extend the discussion. Now I'll draft each section with careful attention to the word limits. </think> **Content Analysis** **Key Themes (max 5 points)** 1. Economic impact of tariffs on US businesses - The text emphasizes how EU wine imports support approximately 200,000 American jobs in importing and distribution, 47,500 independently owned wine stores, and numerous restaurant jobs across all 50 states. 2. Non-fungibility of European wines - A central argument that specific European wines (like Chianti or Piedmont wines) cannot be substituted by American wines as they serve different consumer needs and occasions. 3. Current tariff situation - Implementation of 15% tariffs on EU wines as of August 2025, with potential for exclusions still under negotiation despite initial indications they might not be included. 4. Industry advocacy efforts - The US Wine Trade Alliance and "Toasts Not Tariffs Coalition" are actively lobbying for wine to be included in "zero-for-zero" tariff exemptions in US-EU trade agreements. 5. Strategic recommendations for producers - European wine producers are advised to strengthen US presence by telling their stories, building direct connections with consumers, and collaborating with US importers to navigate trade barriers. **Summary (max 200 words)** The podcast interview with Ben Aneff, president of the US Wine Trade Alliance, addresses the 15% tariff imposed on European wines entering the US as of August 2025. Aneff explains that while negotiations continue for potential exclusions, the current tariff structure poses significant challenges to the US wine industry ecosystem. He highlights the substantial economic imbalance where US consumers purchase $24 billion of EU wine annually compared to only $5.3 billion of US wine purchased by Europeans, creating a $19 billion trade surplus that supports hundreds of thousands of American jobs. Aneff argues that European wines are non-fungible products that cannot be substituted by American alternatives, making them worthy of tariff exemptions based on "point of origin specificity." He advises Italian producers to strengthen US market presence through storytelling and direct consumer engagement while collaborating with US importers to advocate for tariff relief. The interview underscores how the wine industry is actively lobbying Washington with messages emphasizing the nationwide economic impact of European wine sales and the unique, irreplaceable nature of region-specific European wines. **Key Takeaways (max 6 points)** - The 15% tariff on EU wines threatens a US wine distribution system where European wines drive up to 75% of revenue for many businesses - US businesses derive significant economic benefit from EU wine imports, with a $19 billion annual trade surplus supporting approximately 200,000 American jobs - European wines are argued to be non-fungible products that cannot be substituted by American wines due to regional specificity and consumer expectations - Industry groups are actively lobbying for wine to be included in "zero-for-zero" tariff exemptions in US-EU trade agreements - European producers are advised to strengthen US market presence through storytelling and direct consumer engagement - The outcome of ongoing negotiations will significantly impact US wine retailers, distributors, and restaurants that depend on European wine imports **Notable Quotes (max 3)** - "For every, you know, we effectively sell, let's say, twenty four billion dollars worth of wine from the European Union here in the United States. And we only send back five point three billion dollars." - "Wine coming in from the European Union can't be substituted from wine in any other part of the world. You know, when a customer or a restaurant is looking for a wine from Kianti or from, you know, it can't be substituted by a Napa Valley Cabernet. It's a different product. It's a different consumer. It's a different occasion." - "The sales of EU wines and Italian wines are really a critical part of the the entire wine ecosystem here in the United States." **Follow-up Questions (max 3)** 1. What specific legislative or regulatory mechanisms could be employed to secure permanent tariff exemptions for European wines despite the current trade agreement framework? 2. How might US wine retailers and distributors adapt their business models if the 15% tariff on European wines becomes permanent? 3. What historical precedents exist for successful tariff exemptions for region-specific agricultural products, and how might these inform current advocacy efforts?

About This Episode

Speaker 1 discusses the current state of US tariffs on European wines and the potential exclusions that could occur at a later date. They also discuss the importance of sharing stories and experiences in the industry to avoid trade barriers and promote the industry. Speaker 0 shares two examples of positive conversations with Italian wine producers and Speaker 2 invites them to visit the wine to wine business forum.

Transcript

And lastly, what messages resonate most in Washington, DC right now when making a case for tariff relief on European wines? In Washington, I think probably the best two messages are, you know, first of all, the sale of European wines are really critical to US businesses, and they're critical to US businesses in all fifty states. And the other piece here, these products are not fungible. Wine coming in from the European Union can't be substituted from one in any other part of the world. You know, when a customer or a restaurant is looking for a wine from Kianti or from, you know, Pemonte, it can't be substituted by a a napa valley cabernet. It's a different product. It's a different consumer. It's a different occasion. And the US government has specifically said at times that, you know, products with a point of origin specificity, you know, should be considered for exclusion. And we think wine has a really strong case to be made there. Welcome to another episode of On the Road Edition, hosted by Stevie Kim. Each week, Stevie travels to incredible wine destinations interviewing some of the Italian wine scene's most interesting personality. Talking about wines, the foods, as well as the incredible travel destinations. So I'm here with Ben Aneth. Is that how you pronounce your name? Aneth. Aneth. Yeah. I can never get the pronunciation correct. He's also the president of the US wine trade alliance, and we're going to ask a few questions for him today. Number one, what's the current state of play on US tariffs impacting Italian wine? Well, right now, we have fifteen percent tariff on effectively all products coming in from the European Union, including Italian wine. There's a possibility that there could be some exclusions at a later date in both the EU and groups of the United States are working very hard on it, but As of right now, it's gonna be a fifteen percent tariff. And are we expecting escalation or is that hope for a trade deal with the EU? It's a great question. The EU and many in the United States are working very hard to get exclusions on the current or difficult tariffs. In the future, there are going to be some concerns around potential investigations by the US into things like digital services, taxes, or us, but we'll sort of deal with those as they come. Okay. How do these tariffs affect the US wine distribution system where EU wines drive up to seventy five percent of revenue? Is that correct? First of all? That's exactly right. Look, American businesses make a lot of money from the sale of European wines. We've built our entire ecosystem around it for every, you know, we effectively sell, let's say, twenty four billion dollars worth of wine from the European Union here in the United States. And we only send back five point three billion dollars. The rest of that revenue goes to power the two hundred thousand American jobs in importing and distribution, the forty seven thousand five hundred independently owned wine stores in the United States and the sort of innumerable restaurant jobs. You know, bottom line, the sales of EU wines and Italian wines are really a critical part of the the entire wine ecosystem here in the United States. Okay. And what can Italian producers practically do? Practically, due to protect and grow their US presence and that this trait turbulence? Well, I think this is a time to go back to the basics, and that means come here, tell your story. Consumers are really interested in what makes wine so special, and they want, I think, nowadays, a closer interaction between, you know, producers and consumers. And I think as always, you know, letting businesses know in the United States and whether that's your importing and distribution partners or your restaurant and retail partners know exactly what makes your wine special. Those things, you know, speaking as a retailer myself, it makes my job a lot easier, the more information I have, and when I can really put a tie to a place and a name and a bottle of wine because ultimately that's what we're trying to do. You know, a bottle of wine as, you know, everyone knows, everyone certainly listening to this podcast knows, it's the best way to transmit place to a glass. And the more you can help folks in the United States tell your story better, the easier our job will be to sell your wine. Okay. And can collaboration between Italian producers and US importers strengthen the fight against these trade barriers? Absolutely. As a matter of fact, I think anytime you have a real systemic risk to the industry, it's absolutely critical that all aspects of the industry work together in harmony and communicate really well. So we have a better understanding of the threats, of the risks in front of us, and we can put our heads together to brainstorm our way out of them. And lastly, what messages resonate most in Washington, DC right now when making a case for tariff relief on European mines? In Washington, I think probably the best two messages are, you know, first of all, the sale of European wines are really critical to US businesses, and they're critical to US businesses in all fifty states. And the other piece here, these products are not fungible. Wine coming in from the European Union can't be substituted from wine in any other part of the world. You know, when a customer or a restaurant is looking for a wine from Kianti or from, you know, it can't be substituted by a a Napa Valley Cabernet. It's a different product. It's a different consumer. It's a different occasion. And the US government has specifically said at times that, you know, products with a point of origin specificity, you know, should be considered for exclusion and we think wine has a really strong case to be made there. Okay. Great. And it's her up. Join Ben Anef. Is that correct? The president of US One Trade Alliance at wine to wine business forum for a much, much, much awaited session navigating tariff turbulence strategies for Italian wine producers amid US Italy trade shifts. So, alright. See you in Chicago then. See you in Chicago. Thank you for joining us on another episode of On The Road Edition, hosted by Stevie Kim. Join her again next week for more interesting content on the Italian wine scene. You can also find us at Italian wine podcast dot com or wherever you get your pods. You can check at our YouTube channel, mama jumbo shrimp to watch these interviews and the footage captured at each location. Changing.